Whats the scuttlebut on Steve Forte? (UA)

[whymeworry?]

Sorry to get this post back to it's original topic, gentleman, but is Forte the same guy who was a VP at TWA in the 90s then went to Jet Airways (India) before being fired from there as well?

 

[32LT10]

No, Steve has been at UAL since 1978. He is 50 years old and lives in DEN. Also served as MIA Chief Pilot years ago.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I'm sure that your airline has only hired "top notch" people. We both know better.

Never said or inferred that. Funny that you did....

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

I have to raise the BS flag on that. What is your source of this grand statement? There is absolutely NO truth to that fact. If you are talking about the two seniority numbers we have/had at one time then you are sadly mistaken about how UAL accounted for its pilots.

The s/o sen# was not the number of s/o's that could not upgrade. If that was the case then why did not many of our pilot automatically move up 1000 numbers when the s/o airplanes were parked? In the majority of s/o's on the rope start 47 and the 10 were over 60 guys when they were parked. It made the 727 s/o position very senior also due to those guys being bidding back. The two numbers accounted for the over 60's and s/o positions. ALL under 60 pilots had a PILOT seniority and a S/O seniority number.

The source was one of your very own that was a student of mine many years ago It could be that his info was wrong.(If so sorry about posting inaccurate data. I should have known better.) Maybe you should try asking him where he got that number from.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Perhaps it is...but when you have hundreds (or thousands) of applicants it is certainly a way to narrow the field. Just like failing to have a degree when everyone else does. Or having multiple speeding tickets when everyone else doesn't.

By the way...I personally think that failing a checkride would be a big deal.

Why??


PHXFLYR

 

[StopNTSing]

And what is your beef with 32LT10?

LOL! You need to take off your blinders & peruse some of the LCC-related threads. The answer will be quite obvious.

 

[vetrider]

No, Steve has been at UAL since 1978. He is 50 years old and lives in DEN. Also served as MIA Chief Pilot years ago.

In a previous post you said he would probably move up in the world at another carrier. I would think he'd just go back to the line. Is he actually leaving the company as well?

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

By the way...I personally think that failing a checkride would be a big deal.

That would depend. At a legacy carrier that hired a large number of (presumably) well-vetted ex-military pilots, it might be seen more as a failure of the training department, than as a failure of the individual.

I've known some truly outstanding pilots (including one at your company) who have busted check and/or type-rides, in some cases because of what can only be described as some vagary of the check airman or examiner. I've also known a few weak ones that have been given a pass, perhaps because of some former military experience. It goes both ways.

If an airline is going to use one bust as a reason not to hire a guy, they might as well be throwing applications in the air, and seeing which ones land in "The Lucky Basket!"

Of course, I'm not so sure that's not what they do anyway...

 

[jayme]

I interned under Steve in MIA. He was an excellent boss, and an outstanding personality. He treated me (a lowly intern), the office ladies, and the pilots the same - with respect and understanding. It's too bad he messed up - I'm sure he'll be missed by all those who had the pleasure of working with him.

 

[:-)]

I'm not UAL, don't know anyone at UAL, don't know Forte, etc, etc, etc, BUT, I'd bet that he is nothing more than the scapegoat. If he was understaffed, it is most likely that he made that decision because of pressure from those above him to run a lean ship.

 

[Hvy]

Why??


PHXFLYR

Failing a checkride would not be a big deal to you? Hmmm...o.k., we all have different standards for ourselves.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

LOL! You need to take off your blinders & peruse some of the LCC-related threads. The answer will be quite obvious.

Well, I guess I could take of my Raybans and look around a bit. Really don't care sqaut about the LCC's so I really don't read the threads.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Failing a checkride would not be a big deal to you? Hmmm...o.k., we all have different standards for ourselves.

Having never busted one,I really couldn't say. But I think if you did you would need years of therapy to recover.....




PHXFLYR

 

[Hvy]

Having never busted one,I really couldn't say. But I think if you did you would need years of therapy to recover.....


You must have put a lot of thought into your reply.

 

[JP4user]

Failing a checkride would not be a big deal to you? Hmmm...o.k., we all have different standards for ourselves.

What were the standards for the San Fran 747 guy or those two clowns in Providence?

 

[Hvy]

What were the standards for the San Fran 747 guy or those two clowns in Providence?

Obviously not high enough. Which is exactly why I strive to do as well as I can and be prepared so that if faced w/ an event I can handle it professionally. That is why doing well and not just slipping by a check ride is important to me. I would rather not be the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately, there are some on this board that don't feel that way.

What airline do you work for? I'm sure there is some dirt there also.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Having never busted one,I really couldn't say. But I think if you did you would need years of therapy to recover.....


You must have put a lot of thought into your reply.

About as much as you put into yours.......

PHXFLYR

 

[Booker]

Yeah, so anyway...I don't remember seeing an answer to someones previous question: Did Forte just get sent back to the line, or was he booted from UA altogether?

 

[Hvy]

Yeah, so anyway...I don't remember seeing an answer to someones previous question: Did Forte just get sent back to the line, or was he booted from UA altogether?

He's going to "retire" at the end of August I believe.

 

[32LT10]

Yeah, so anyway...I don't remember seeing an answer to someones previous question: Did Forte just get sent back to the line, or was he booted from UA altogether?

He could have come back to the line. But I think since he was so high up the food chain, return to the line would be an embarassement for him. So to save face he is leaving "retiring" on Sept.1st. The rub is his office is cleaned out and he is on Vacation until Sept 1st, so no flying before he goes. Some hae said he does not want to work until the contract he is partially responsible for. Too onerous for a guy that is used to the previous contract some say.

 

[SKYMASTER]

I hear he'll see a pretty nice retirement package.