Whats the diff?

[DC8 Flyer]

Maybe it's because I'm blonde, but what is the differance between GoJets and MidAtlantic or SoNG, or TeD?

I'm asking honestly cause I don't know. All are "alter egos" of a company meant to fly certain seats at lower rates, I believe.

I've gotten out of the PAX side of things so I'm a little ignorant of all the goings on, and have been seeing all the GoJet bashing and need some clarification.

Thanks!

 

[91100 100 set]

Gojets is forming (they aren't flying yet, but they have people in class correct?) as an alter-ego, brand-new (ie. non-union, without the benefits of a negotiated labor agreement) carrier right next to Trans-states, basically doing the same work for less compensation then the union pilots at Trans-states. Basically outsourcing to someplace cheaper. And they will find people to do the flying because there is always somebody out there willing to do it. Which is always a hot topic on this board, discussed in various forms ad nauseum.

Mid-Atlantic is a "division" of USAirways that was formed and eventually got going as part of the on-going restructuring at that company. One side of the story will tell you it was formed to find a home for the 1800 some-odd pilots (as well as the other employees who were affected) who were furloughed after the events of the September 11th. A more realistic viewer will tell you that it was management's method of B-scaling or "expressing" more of the work force. Paint a big EXPRESS on the side of an airplane, and suddenly all the employees, whether they are flying them or throwing bags into them, are getting paid less.

Ted and Song, as far as I know, are basically simply changes to the marketing approaches towards the customer. Again, as far as I know, it's the same employees, under the same contract, just a different "product". (How you can do that is for the fruitcakes in marketing, you're still just moving people from A to B in my opinion).

 

[Chicken Taco]

That's about right. Ted and Song are both paint and a marketing campaign, that's it.

MDA is actually operated on the AAA certificate using the "USAir" callsign, but staffed as a spearate division, with the consent of the employees and union representation.

GOJets is, as explained above, a sick attempt at outsourcing and union busting. STAY AWAY!!

..CT

 

[urflyingme?!]

Gojets=freedumb?

 

[atrdriver]

Song uses DAL pilots, but all the other employees are NOT Delta employees. Their F/A's, rampers, etc are paid less than mainlines are. That's the way I understand it was set up.

 

[Ron Mexico]

A union Keeps the company honest!!! As long as the Union balances the members needs and wants with the viability of the company, Union plays such an important role in todays market. Any pilot group or otherwise group (Mech, Dispatch, etc) needs a union!!!!


That is just my opinion and until changed otherwise, I am sticking with it!!!!

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

I heard Go Jets has the teamsters.

 

[J32driver]

I heard Go Jets has the teamsters.

Attempted to put them in place with 4 management pilots doing the voting.

Now ask yourself... why would MANAGEMENT try to put a union in place? That alone should make people scared as heck!

 

[belchfire]

Another differance between Song, Ted
MidAtlantic, Republic and GoJets andFreedom
is that the first four ended up being negotiated
with the unions, maintaining the seniority
and so on-Gojets isn't, and freedom got
"settled" by a lawsuit...Republic was a very
close and shady thing to start but it seems
that they learned from J (Low)renstinks loss
in court.

One problem that I am seeing across the board
is that attitude from the Unions of "Fly it now
then grieve it." So the grievences pile up on
someone's desk till they could heat Iceland through
the coming winter and it takes a lawsuit (Mesa
again, surprise) to get a few of the things
straightened out to noone's satisfaction.

When management is oppressive and determined
to follow whatever rules it wants the only thing
that will get their attention is idle aircraft. Time
to overhaul the grievance system or toss it. Just
my $0.02 rant...

 

[Cardinal]

MDA is actually operated on the AAA certificate using the "USAir" callsign

While we're asking questions, what is the significance of "AAA?" I've gather that it refers to US Airways, but what's the context?

 

[Chicken Taco]

AAA is a reference often used to refer to USAirways. If you trace the family tree way back to about 1937 the original name on the center Allegheny/USAir trunk would be All American Aviation, hence AAA. This was the first operating certificate, and the many acquisitions and mergers since have all been grafted onto that original line..

..CT

 

[Cardinal]

Cool, thanks.

 

[regionaltard]

and freedom got "settled" by a lawsuit...

It accomplished what it was designed to do; ratchet already ridiculously low payscales down even lower.

Here we are trying to stand on Comair's shoulders, only to have Mesa and others of its ilk grab us by the ankles and drag us back down.........