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Anybody who misses the EMB 120 has a major screw loose.

Let me remind you of your fine old friend. Remember those hot days in August and the packs are spitting out warm air as you sit in the cockpit and bake alive in the sun. How about those 15 hour duty days and all the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** vibration and noise. Remember eating a whole bottle of asprin to get rid of that Brasilia headache ?

You think the electrical system was bad how about that nightmare of a prop system ??

Send that thing to the boneyard.
 
Ya know, I had forgotten about those sweltering days in the Brakillya...THANKS! I do recall cancelling 2 flights a few summers ago out of ORD due to crew overheating problems. When you literally have sweat pouring off you and running into your eyes and no galley to get ice from (a few of the Lakes Brasilias did not/do not have galleys...They may have pulled them all by now), you are not mentally capable of functioning at 110%. How is it that the packs can be nice and cold (due to them freezing up) but we just get hot air (cue sounds of whiny, sweaty, tired pilots). On the other hand, one of our Brakillyas had such good packs that it would blow snow even on the hottest days (literally....ice particles would blow out the vents....I know, I know...bad for the packs). All in all though, once you got up to cruise it cooled off and it was a fun and responsive plane.
 
I've flown a wide variety of aircraft, but 2 definitely stand out: the deHavilland Dash 7 - nothing was more fun than some of those MLS and STOL approaches we flew in the mountains of Colorado and Alaska; and the B757 - a very nice airplane, great performance....like UPS Capt said, a joy to fly.
 
ahhh... the bradildo.

rjcap... i might have a screw loose. i miss flying the bradildo at times. granted, it baked you in the summer, but the ECS system is not one to brag about on the rj. even in manual it's a pain in the ass and requires constant attention.

hell, my car has a better temperature control system on it. -sr.
 
DHC-6 Twin Otter is a very easy airplane to fly. I think the Duchess I was flying before was actually more difficult to handle. Great airplane as long as your aren't in a hurry to go anywhere. I can hover given the correct circumstances!
 
Smoove,

You definitely have a screw loose.

Your telling me you would rather bake in the Brakila then hit the manual ECS control and adjust the temp in the CRJ ?

Yeah, I really hate having the cockpit too cold in August. I might need to bring a sweater next time !
 
AWACoff,

The situation you describe is everyday in the 1900. I'm sure the same goes for the J32 and Metroliner as well. Bake in the summer, freeze in the winter. Remember the DVL crews that did their runups in ski clothing? That said, I did stop taking planes with inop VCM's on those hot DEN days-I would do the same now especially if I had to do their PHX runs. It's funny that their isn't an airplane from the 172 to the 777 where the pilots are totally satisfied with the air conditioning system! Which reminds me, the 737 sucks in the summer when your on the ramp on a hot day with the pits open. The only way to get cool air from the APU is to turn off the Recirc fan and let the supply duct temparature drop, but then you get minimal airflow. I think I'm just going to stay home.:)
 
:D CRJ-SWEEEEET, easiest ever. 1200hrs.+

:p EMB- sweeeet, great a/c + all the bugs you could imagine, 1500hrs.+

:eek: J-32- hardest yet, this a/c will make you work harder, for every nm
flown than any other type, but in a strange perverse way the most
satisfying plane yet. kinda like a hard workout.
 
Give me a break here, guys! These posts are like bad poetry. One guy describes an airplane as 'handling like a wet buffalo in the mud', another misses one airplane 'like an old friend', and then we have Avbug. I only wish I were as sh!t hot and could say no airplanes are hard to fly. I have flown 20-series Lears, and they suck.

Now for my 2 cents-
I thought the Citation II had good characteristics, considering was its made to do. The Falcon 20 is quite underpowered with the original engines, but has the best flying qualities and predictability I've seen. The Lear 20s will certainly put a smile on your face with unbelievable climb rates, but they're old and way too small for those of us in the 6 ft height range. The 717 is really cool with all the new bells and whistles and great air conditioning.
 
[Hand flying qualities: On a scale of ten. The Jetstream31 rates a one, (heavy breakout forces, yet barely stable. meaning that you constantly have to fly it but it's heavy on the controls and wears you out. It is difficult to land and taxis like the the way a worn out Ford pickup drives).
The MD 80 rates a five, (it's nice and stable, but the non-boosted controls take a lot of deflection and muscle. The Douglas might be easy to land, but good landings must take more than a thousand hours to learn, because I'm not there yet)
The tip tank Lears rate a seven (they are nice and light on the controls, responsive, and obviously climb well, yet the tip tanks add to dutch roll and the drag rise at approach speeds will bite you quick. Landings are OK, just don't use too much bank in a cross wind)
The Brasilia rates a seven as well, (it was a little heavy but responsive and stable and landings were only moderately difficult )
Longhorn wing Lears rate an eight for the 55 and a nine for the 60. (the 60 gets one more point because its engines are FADEC controlled. These airplanes are well balanced in pitch, roll and yaw, they are stable and don't require constant attention yet the control forces allow for low effort flight. Landings are easy, and in nice smooth air you can even feel the 60's delta fins push the nose over when they hit ground effect, very cool)

Autoflite qualities: The J31 gets a pass here becaouse the piece of trash doesn't even have an autopilot.
MD80's rate a three (the autopilot and autothrottles are of the same vintage as the radio shack TRS80 computer. It is not intuitive to say the least. It can be flown well but requires a lot of mental effort)
The Brasilia rates a six, ( my memory is fading a bit, but it was fairly easy to manipulate)
The Lear FC200 a/p found in most of the thirty series flys the aircraft well and is intuitive to operate but suffers from the lack of an altitude capture feature. It gets a six as well.
The Lear 55 with it's FC500 a/p gains the altitude capture feature but is otherwise the same as the FC200 in the Lear 35. but the altitude capture is worth an eight.
The Lear60 a/p rates a nine, it is easy and smooth.

Systems: The J31 ties with the Brasilia at a rating of four. The J31 is physically built like a tank, but its systems are weak or poorly engineered, like the steering and antiskid systms.
The Brasilia is more complicated than a 737 or the MD80. It's computer controlled flaps, double acting hydraulic props, automatic everything electrical system, etc are just too much for a thirty seat tprop.
The MD80 rates an six on systems, it is simple and reliable. The electrical system is much more simple than the Brasilia. I would rate the Douglas an eight, but it requires to much mental effort to operate because it it almost totally manual. For example, there are six steps necessary to turn on the wing anti-ice system.
I rate the Lears at a nine, because they are dirt simple, reliable and easy to learn and operate.

Ergonomically, the Brasilia was the best cockpit layout and the Jetstream the worst. I trained on the 737 and liked it, but I've not flown it since the rating.

I left out the B1900 series because they were not transport catagory aircraft. For that matter, I'm not sure that the J31 is either, but it is such a piece of cra* that I had to include it for the sake of comparison. For the record, had the 1900 been a part 25 aircraft, it would rank an average of eight.

regards
8N




BTW, your buddy is correct about the DC9 series leaking liquid into the cockpit. The pilots will get wet if you sit on the ramp in a rain shower.
 
No really enigma, tell us what you REALLY think of the J31! Heh!

Anyone here fly a 777? UAL flies them a lot in and out of Denver, and every time during landing I feel like I'm gonna die. I've been through eight 777 landings and only one of them didn't make my a** pucker. I originally chalked it up to plain old bad luck, but my girlfriend just got back from D.C. this week, and within 5 minutes of greeting her at the baggage claim she said, "BigD, you need to show those 777 pilots how to fly that plane. My back is still sore."

Yeah yeah - she thinks I'm the greatest pilot in the land. Hey, what she doesn't know won't hurt her, right? :D
 
Thanks for all the input guys. :D

I'd like to hear about the 777 though, I've heard a lot of this "i'm gonna die" talk by passengers on the approach. What exactly IS up w/ that?
 
If bricks don't fly well, how do you explain the F-4 Phantom???
 
camels

personally I like the camel. it's the perfect conservative mans airplane, it only wants to turn right. Ernst Kessler says the Bucker/Fokker, but what's he know?

waldo
 

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