What's happening to Freedom on May 3rd?

[EatinRamen]

I believe the date Delta set to terminate the Freedom Air ERJ flying was May 3rd. With that date rapidly approaching, what's the latest news on the issue? Are the Freedom pilots being told what the company is going to do with them and the airplanes? Is Mesa hoping their lawsuit will enable them to keep flying until the issue is settled through the courts?

What about ASA? Are they opening an MCO domicile, or are they just gonna operate MCO like they do CVG by overnighting crews.

 

[A-V-8]

We have a displacement for MCO but there have been no official e-mails reguarding the matter. Only speculation right now. Mesa: Still suing. Delta: Merging and still terminating.

 

[JumpersAway]

Don't know what will become of the Mesa pilots and their Aircraft. Personally, I'd like to soak them up with preferential hiring just to give JO the finger.

I do hope that whomever crews the flying out of MCO kicks tail though. 100% completion and 100% D-0 would work great for assuring us the flying in the future. I've got a bit of it myself next month, and will be busting my tail to make that happen.

There is no way Mesa will win that lawsuit. I'm sure Delta did a lot of homework in the legal department before cutting them loose. We'll see..............

 

[A-V-8]

There is no way Mesa will win that lawsuit. I'm sure Delta did a lot of homework in the legal department before cutting them loose. We'll see..............

Don't get me wrong; I have stood back and watched powerlesly as this company has thrown itself on its own sword. I am not sticking up for our management and I voted No Confidence when I had that option. That being said; Here goes.

1. Delta gives us the AX

2. Delta wins the law suit.

3. J.O. delcares B.K. and suspends the ERJ leases.

4. Mesa suspends a host of other things that they don't want to pay during the B.K.

5. Mesa sues Delta.

6. Shortly before the trial is set to begin Mesa gets awarded a handfull of CRJ 900s to operate as an amendment to our current contract out of JFK.

7. Law suit goes away and Mesa and Delta hold hands for a while by a camp fire.

Before any one here decides to shoot this down in their infinate wisdom you may want to research how we got the current United contract.

Mesa has had to find homes for those jets after a suspended contract before. That is how we got the Delta contract in the first place.

J.O. has a way of jumping into a pile of crap and comming out smelling like a rose. He may already have a deal inked for recovery.

 

[Seaknight1]

1. Delta gives us the AX

Already happened

2. Delta wins the law suit.

Most likely

3. J.O. delcares B.K. and suspends the ERJ leases.

Sounds like the plan

4. Mesa suspends a host of other things that they don't want to pay during the B.K.

I sure hope he can get DIP funding!

5. Mesa sues Delta.

Already happened

6. Shortly before the trial is set to begin Mesa gets awarded a handfull of CRJ 900s to operate as an amendment to our current contract out of JFK

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In J.O. dreams!

7. Law suit goes away and Mesa and Delta hold hands for a while by a camp fire.

J.O.'s wet dream!

Before any one here decides to shoot this down in their infinate wisdom you may want to research how we got the current United contract.

Um I was at Mesa for that, and that was because UA dumped ACA and Air Wiskey. J.O. was on his knees in ORD to get the UA contact back.

Mesa has had to find homes for those jets after a suspended contract before. That is how we got the Delta contract in the first place.

That's because Fred Butrell went from Pres of DCI to Pres of Comair and Fred was the last in a line of DCI heads to oppose letting Mesa fly for DCI. When Fred Left that's when the DCI flood gates opened and we got 9 DCI carriers.

J.O. has a way of jumping into a pile of crap and comming out smelling like a rose. He may already have a deal inked for recovery.

He's way in too deep to dig himself out of this one. He's going to bankrupt and close mesa down and he'll go off an enjoy the loads of cash he's made destroying Mesa.

 

[CFI2766]

We have a displacement for MCO but there have been no official e-mails reguarding the matter. Only speculation right now. Mesa: Still suing. Delta: Merging and still terminating.

Displacement for MCO?!?! Haven't heard anything about this. There's nothing on the standing bid page on ourasa 'bout this. Source?

I'd LOVE fore the ATR to do a TDY from MCO, with overnights in KEY WEST. Good times!

 

[MONKEY]

BK leaves Mesa vulnerable

If JO elects BK, I say elect as if he has a choice, Mesa will be left wide open. SkyWest and Chataqua will bid on profitable assets, leaving behind the 50 seat aircraft. Major partners would love this. US Airways, UAL, and DAL would love to have that flying replaced by quality operators. Creditors would love it, SkyWest is a sure thing. They know that their aircraft would be well maintained and that they will get paid. Employees would love it.

It's win win for everyone except JO. Companies try to avoid BK because they lose control to the judge as soon as they file. This will not be like when a major airline goes into BK. This will be quick, but very painful for MESA.

The end truly is near!

 

[CRJ puppy]

The info that was posted on DeltaNet spoke of a gradual "pull-down" of the Freedom flying over the course of the summer, to be mutually negotiated.

It did not speak of a "turn the switch" stop date. Of course, this was before Mesa sued.

 

[WalterSobchak]

MESA SUCKS!

 

[McNugent]

Displacement for MCO?!?! Haven't heard anything about this. There's nothing on the standing bid page on ourasa 'bout this. Source?

I'd LOVE fore the ATR to do a TDY from MCO, with overnights in KEY WEST. Good times!

Displacement for Mesa not ASA. MCO sure would make a nice home for the ATR's though. Fly them around FL on all those short hops while hardly burning any gas. Makes you wonder...

 

[piav8r]

Um I was at Mesa for that, and that was because UA dumped ACA and Air Wiskey. J.O. was on his knees in ORD to get the UA contact back.

And I was at ACA for that, and between the fact that United knew that MESA would cut our legs out from under us and also due to our managements pipe dream to start a LCC with CRJ's I ended up on the street....

I'm pretty much wishing Mesa goes down in flames, but JO does fall into a stinkin pile of dung and come out smelling like a rose far to often.

 

[CFI2766]

Displacement for Mesa not ASA. MCO sure would make a nice home for the ATR's though. Fly them around FL on all those short hops while hardly burning any gas. Makes you wonder...

Ahhhh, misunderstood.

Dunno if there is a plan for the ATRs, other than they are going away.

 

[Cloudroller]

Displacement for Mesa not ASA. MCO sure would make a nice home for the ATR's though. Fly them around FL on all those short hops while hardly burning any gas. Makes you wonder...

So is ASA is stealing Comair's, Freedom's, or Chq's old flying? I would bet the Freedom guys (most of them at least) are smart enough not to treat the ASA like ******************** when walking throught the MCO airport, realizing that DL is the one always moving things around. Its too bad you can not say that about Comair (most of them not all). The regional s are always stealing stuff. Maybe one day delta will take it all back.

 

[WalterSobchak]

The regional s are always stealing stuff. Maybe one day delta will take it all back.

So THAT'S what Captain Prater meant...I get it now!

 

[McNugent]

So is ASA is stealing Comair's, Freedom's, or Chq's old flying? I would bet the Freedom guys (most of them at least) are smart enough not to treat the ASA like ******************** when walking throught the MCO airport, realizing that DL is the one always moving things around. Its too bad you can not say that about Comair (most of them not all). The regional s are always stealing stuff. Maybe one day delta will take it all back.

(1) ASA isn't stealing anything. Mesa is imploding and can't run a good operation. Delta realized they get what they pay for and is firing them as a result. ASA is simply the replacement, and if history means anything we probably won't be there for long.

(2) I've never treated anyone like $hit at the airport. Actually I say hi and smile at anyone who passes, even if they are Freedumb scumbags. There's a difference between being critical of a pilot group, and everyday human courtesy. The Nuge is always professional.

(3) I wish Delta would take it back. But in the mean time ASA is just a band-aid on a very small problem in the grand scheme of things. There's probably somebody willing to do it cheaper and us, and we too (hopefully not) will be replaced in MCO.

 

[A-V-8]

Displacement for MCO?!?! Haven't heard anything about this.

I was refering to the last one that came out. I looks like they just re-directed a lot of folks from the ERJ to the CRJ who were in training. Virtually all say MCO for the domicle that they were headed to. It does say displaced by a lot of them. No one there forced out as of yet but no new folks headed there for now.

At least that was my take on the SB.

Here it is: SB 08-18 (IAD MCO Displ. mix Awd)

Take a look

 

[#%&@$!]

Mesa claims to be suing Delta over wrongful termination of its flying however its reported on Mesa Hub that no reference can be found to any such suit actually having been filed.

 

[JoeMerchant]

MCO sure would make a nice home for the ATR's though. Fly them around FL on all those short hops while hardly burning any gas. Makes you wonder...

....don't tease me like that......:beer:

 

[dooork]

Mesa claims to be suing Delta over wrongful termination of its flying however its reported on Mesa Hub that no reference can be found to any such suit actually having been filed.

The reading comprehension on this board is typical. MESA has not filed the law suit yet...they have filed for an injunction to stop the termination of the contract.

 

[Seaknight1]

The reading comprehension on this board is typical. MESA has not filed the law suit yet...they have filed for an injunction to stop the termination of the contract.

Oh on the contrary, Mesa's Legal pitbull said he filed on the 7th. He told the AP and another news agency that. DCI still hasn't seen an injuction either! Too bad! LOL