What's happening at ERAU?

[slapstick]

BigD,
No added benefits or tuition savings, just $7/hr. We are allowed to be a little gracious in recording our discussion time, which makes the checks slightly larger, but still pathetic. I liked teaching PU students in PU planes, and the convenience was nice, but I'm not a big fan of exploitation.

I left that BS, and for 2 years I've been driving 100 miles round-trip to instruct at another airport.

 

[bobbysamd]

Riddle

<sigh> The more things change, the more they stay the same. I worked there twelve years ago.

Truthfully, though, Riddle-Prescott was the best aviation job I had. Decent pay if you could stay somewhat busy. Fair bonus plan. Decent benies. Good equipment and maintenance. Decent facilities, even in the old prefab housing flight line building. A great learning opportunity.

At times, these plusses were overshadowed by stupid politics, turf-protecting, agenda-promoting, and fear of losing 141 self-examining authority.

We had a few high-quality people, but, sadly, the "idiots" overshadowed them. It was too much to stand after a while.

I do remember one time that at the end of the spring semester it appeared there would be a low student load that summer. There was a rumor for days that there would be layoffs. Thankfully, it never happened, but it was a terrible thing to do to people who probably couldn't find another aviation job at that point in their careers. Borderline intimidation, in my .02 opinion.

 

[banned username 2]

I just can't condone paying Riddle $45/hr for a CFI that is luckey to get a third of that.

Back around 1990 American Flyers was charging $40.00 per hour just for an Instructor... The CFI's were making $6.00 per hour (that is 15% of the charged rate!)...

Back then the industry norm was charging $25.00 per hour and the CFI would make $12.50-$15.00 per hour....

It isn't just Riddle....

Originally posted by TimeBuilder
It sounds to me as though Riddle is clearly aligning itself with the management side of the airline industry.

Perhaps pilots should begin to take this into account as they start their careers....

That is kind of like saying "It looks like UAL & AA are aligning themselves with management, don't go work there!"

All these places (ERAU, American Flyers, UAL, AA, DAL, CAL, SWA, etc....) are there to make money, not to give pilots a place to make a career.... How we lose focus on the big picture... it's business, guys..... If they could do the job without Pilots, trust me they would... but "we" (pilots) are a necessary evil to the overall business plan...

And then you have moron's like that drunk America West crew that make us all look like a bunch of losers.... unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.... what idiots!

 

[Timebuilder]

>>That is kind of like saying "It looks like UAL & AA are aligning themselves with management, don't go work there!"

That isn't quite what I had in mind.

A university, such as ERAU, exists because of the tuition money paid by the STUDENT, who then becomes the INSTRUCTOR/EMPLOYEE. I would expect the university to reflect the interest of those who keep them in business, the student/alumni/instructor. To see the university willing to bite the hand that feeds it seems nonsensical. Are they so impressed with themselves that they feel they can act like the only game in town?

Airlines have customer and stockholder interests to balance against the interests of the pilot group. In the case of ERAU, they are essentially acting against their own alumni. What message does that send?

 

[banned username 2]

[IA university, such as ERAU, exists because of the tuition money paid by the STUDENT, who then becomes the INSTRUCTOR/EMPLOYEE. I would expect the university to reflect the interest of those who keep them in business, the student/alumni/instructor.

Actually only a small percentage of graduates return to work for ERAU... ERAU puts out probably near 1,500 CFI's per year but only need maybe 100 new CFI's every year...

They are in the business to make money.... I agree that ERAU should be paying some industry leading wages for a school that is as highly regarded as ERAU. I would guess that ERAU should be paying about $20-$22 per hour based on what they are charging...

I am merely saying that ERAU isn't the only one to do this... most flight schools don't pay squat, it is the nature of the business... and since CFI's are so plentiful, it is simple supply and demand economics...

 

[Timebuilder]

No one can argue with economics, but I think it sends a negative message to the new student, "here, this is what we place as a value on the skills we have just taught you".

Then again, maybe it wants to be a school for the rich-only, where the CFI pay is far surpassed by the $4,000 per month the student gets from his trust fund.

From what I have seen of the tuition prices, I wouldn't be able to attend.