Whats going on with the SKYW 1.2% increase

[threegreen]

So you guys voted it down to give the finger to management - has anything come of it? Will you guys get a better raise soon or did management get the last laugh?

 

[Microclimates]

wouldn't it be cool if they had said something like: "oh ok, you know what you're right, that was pathetic. let's give you more..." but seriously...

But it did feel just a little good to not bend over--completely.

laters

 

[propjockey]

And yet standing up for "principle" has gotten us what exactly? The respect of a few people on flightinfo.com? I'm beginning to think we should have just taken the money and run. It's probably going to be a loooong time before we even get offered 1.2% again -- and who knows -- they may even come back and ask for concessions at some point. Yeah, an extra 1.2% isn't much, but it could mean: a nice dinner for me and my wife; the difference between dial-up and high speed; fixing some of the many MELs on my car; additional savings and/or investment; etc. This is the last time I'm turning down a raise at SkyWest (I voted "NO!"). Yes, I think management had the last laugh for sure on this one. Take "standing up" by rejecting an "insulting raise" to the bank and try to cash it.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Propjockey, it wasnt just the insulting raise that was the issue, the big issue was signing an open ended agreement. I hope you are smart enough to not EVER vote in an agreement without an expiration date. I was smart enough to vote no to the last two proposals.I am happy to see that most of us have learned from the old saying "fool me once..." or as Bush would say "down in Texas we have an old saying, you can try and fool me once but if you try and fool me twice than shame on you"

Yes I will send a message to management that this offer and any others like it are an insult, that to me is worth the 30 to 60 cents an hour we lost.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Propjockey, it wasnt just the insulting raise that was the issue, the big issue was signing an open ended agreement. I hope you are smart enough to not EVER vote in an agreement without an expiration date. I was smart enough to vote no to the last two proposals.I am happy to see that most of us have learned from the old saying "fool me once..." or as Bush would say "down in Texas we have an old saying, you can try and fool me once but if you try and fool me twice than shame on you"
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Yes I will send a message to management that this offer and any others like it are an insult, that to me is worth the 30 to 60 cents an hour we lost.

exactly.....1.2% will give you the equivalent of picking up an extra 4 hours all year long. It goes to show the EgO's in SGU think we are already paid enough. After we make 120 million in a year and have another on time performance year we get a thanks and a wonderful turker voucher for the hard work. SaPa and that worthless organization already have aquired us a horrible concession in PBS. They couldn't find tits in a stripper bar let alone get us a real cola and some positive work rules. Its time to show Sapa the door and get some real representation.

 

[rjcap]

Inflation is running 2 - 3% a year. A 1.2 % raise doesn't even keep up with inflation. Year by year your wage package is shrinking while the company is making how much in profit ?? 120 million ??

How is that 18 month 70 seat pay rate coming ? I would hope you guys would learn from your past mistakes.

Propjockey you need to get some balls.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

And yet standing up for "principle" has gotten us what exactly? The respect of a few people on flightinfo.com? I'm beginning to think we should have just taken the money and run. It's probably going to be a loooong time before we even get offered 1.2% again -- and who knows -- they may even come back and ask for concessions at some point. Yeah, an extra 1.2% isn't much, but it could mean: a nice dinner for me and my wife; the difference between dial-up and high speed; fixing some of the many MELs on my car; additional savings and/or investment; etc. This is the last time I'm turning down a raise at SkyWest (I voted "NO!"). Yes, I think management had the last laugh for sure on this one. Take "standing up" by rejecting an "insulting raise" to the bank and try to cash it.

Well,
Lessee, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, keep busting your a$$ to keep the airline on time, skip those meal breaks, $hit in the plane instead of a real bathroom, keep calling ORD ops because "you have pax with tight connections", asking "anyone see open parking in the Y", and most importantly keep swilling the kool-aid from the SGU slurpee machine. Why would SGU think that they have to part with anything, even long call out reserve(which would cost nothing) as long as fools keep busting a$$, like we are fighting for our immediate survival. $26,000,000 last quarter, my enemy, thats right 26M! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, and you will get what you deserve, NOTHING, and you will like it!
PBR
P.S. "Principal", the ability to discern right from wrong has nothing to do with fiscal profit, "respect" is something you have to have for yourself, not received from flight info, obviously you have none or you would not be "thinking we should have taken the money and run". The reason you have MELs on your car is your willingness to bend over and take whatever you are given, thats right, bend over, spread those cheeks and take 1.2% because thats whats offered. I hope your wife has a good job, your gonna need that real cash to pay the bills.

 

[Ben Dover]

And yet standing up for "principle" has gotten us what exactly?

A little pride and self-respect.

This is the last time I'm turning down a raise at SkyWest (I voted "NO!").

Atta boy propjockey. You hold strong to those values of yours, not to mention the first semblence of unity at Skywest.

 

[threegreen]

I am happy to see that most of us have learned from the old saying "fool me once..." or as Bush would say "down in Texas we have an old saying, you can try and fool me once but if you try and fool me twice than shame on you"

I believe Bush said, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

Here's a video: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/foolbush.mov

 

[reno]

SkyWest pilots,

If you have not registered at www.alpa.org/skywest it is time you do so. SAPA has shown us the ability they have. It is time we get real representation!

 

[Capi_Cafre']

......Take "standing up" by rejecting an "insulting raise" to the bank and try to cash it.

What can be conceived can be created.

Here's a thought for you. Why don't you conceive of a pilot group wiling to take responsibility for its future and then take a leadership role in creating it? Why wouldn't your management insult you after you rolled over on the 70 seat pay issue? You told them loud and clear what you thought you were worth and now you expect them to offer you more out of the kindness of their hearts?

 

[MarineGrunt]

Well,
Lessee, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, keep busting your a$$ to keep the airline on time, skip those meal breaks, $hit in the plane instead of a real bathroom, keep calling ORD ops because "you have pax with tight connections", asking "anyone see open parking in the Y", and most importantly keep swilling the kool-aid from the SGU slurpee machine. Why would SGU think that they have to part with anything, even long call out reserve(which would cost nothing) as long as fools keep busting a$$, like we are fighting for our immediate survival. $26,000,000 last quarter, my enemy, thats right 26M! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, and you will get what you deserve, NOTHING, and you will like it!
PBR

Are you saying you SHOULDN'T bust your a$$ for the company? I understand why most voted no, and if I had a say, would have voted no also. But purposely ignoring an opportunity to save the airline money or help out some pax with connections, etc, seems pretty unprofessional to me. Not trying to flame, just an observation...

 

[capt. megadeth]

SkyWest pilots,

If you have not registered at www.alpa.org/skywest it is time you do so. SAPA has shown us the ability they have. It is time we get real representation!

You guys/gals have better pay, benefits and perks than commuters with ALPA. Vote in ALPA and during your indefinite contract negotiations you can say buh bye to perfomance rewards, etc.

 

[Ben Dover]

But purposely ignoring an opportunity to save the airline money or help out some pax with connections, etc, seems pretty unprofessional to me. Not trying to flame, just an observation...

Here's my take. Both the company and the employee have responsibilities, fairly well documented I might add. If a particular company chooses to mickey mouse it's employees on something like pay/work rules. Why would the employee be motivated to do any more than what was required in his/her job description? It's not a matter of professionalism, it's a matter of employee motivation, or lack there of.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Are you saying you SHOULDN'T bust your a$$ for the company? I understand why most voted no, and if I had a say, would have voted no also. But purposely ignoring an opportunity to save the airline money or help out some pax with connections, etc, seems pretty unprofessional to me. Not trying to flame, just an observation...

Well,
I do not have a problem busting my a$$ for a company that recriprocates like SKYW once did. SKYW does not do anything more than the minimum unless they want to sell some POS idea that will trash qol. I busted my a$$ for years because I felt the company matched my effort and they did. No longer is this true. If the company were in difficult times I could understand, but recording record profits and unprecedented growth, the chiken little(sky is falling) school of managing employees is becoming tiresome. The one and only way to get the attention of the beancounters is by affecting the quantity of the beans collected. The opportunity to help pax is noble, but when you take the parking spot of another flight because you flew the flight at .80 and taxi at 35kts so you can get in early and hurry out, because the 6-7 leg day is too long and they want to get done quickly is the problem. Professional? I fly the flight planned speeds and routes and plan to arrive at the gate no more than a few minutes early, this allows the company to operate as planned.
PBR

 

[mckpickle]

You guys/gals have better pay, benefits and perks than commuters with ALPA. Vote in ALPA and during your indefinite contract negotiations you can say buh bye to perfomance rewards, etc.

Oh really, I work for Express Jet. Our pay rates are exactly the same however our contract is LEAPS AND BOUNDS above Skywest. And bonuses.... Hmmmmmm, wheres that $4000 in profit sharing I got last month?

 

["GO AROUND"]

Here's my take. Both the company and the employee have responsibilities, fairly well documented I might add. If a particular company chooses to mickey mouse it's employees on something like pay/work rules. Why would the employee be motivated to do any more than what was required in his/her job description? It's not a matter of professionalism, it's a matter of employee motivation, or lack there of.

Ben you just defined the situation at ASA. ASA Managment=Mickey Mouse, ASA pilots=unmotivated. Jerry Atkin=very uninformed about how badly ASA managment is running his new acquisition.

Our MEC challenged Jerry about not negotiating a CRJ-700 pay rate at SKW back in Dec. 2004. "That he has kept his pilots reasonably happy all this time, but could be sitting on a timb bomb." Jerry said "his 50 seat pilots wanted to be and are the highest paid in the industry." He said he "is willing to discuss with his pilots the taking back of a portion of the 50 seat rate and putting it into the 70 seat rate."

Our MEC was impressed with Mr Atkin and hopefully we will see a 180 degree change in our next negotiations sessions tomorrow. Then maybe he will take care of what he is sitting on.