Whats going on at Trans States?

[dispatchguy]

They are going to lose some good people.

Dont think for a second that Uncle Hulie gives a rats a$$.

On a side note, with the retirement of the J41, what happened to all of the J41 crews? I worked with Jen Carey from the training department on some dispatch stuff when I was there...

 

[35off]

TSA training

Traing bust as many people as they do because they can not pass. I have had 3 FO recurrents and there is no suprises. (Except my first) I made the assumption that in the class they will review and prep you. Mistake, although I did not fail I was sweating.

Also as for the previous guy who failed the oral. Look at all the things he missed. The poster just keeps hitting items, consider that the failee probably reduced the magnitude or volume of items and consider they failed the first. Most of us were instructors of some sort. We know how to look past a few brain freezes, but trends are trends. Level of overall knowledge is determined by all these questions.

TSA training is probably more difficult than some, but not unreasonable. I have seen them work with people and cut slack here and there. But, if you do not seem to be putting 100% effort forward I get the feeling that instructors/examiners get offended and do not feel you deserve any kind of slack. I say good for them, even though TSA is not a 747 job it still is serious business and you should know what the h#ll you are doing.

Lastly, TSA training does not lower there standards based on company need. I say this is a good thing. And the industry (your future employers know this).

To the new guys don't be nervous, study like you are going to drive a plane with 50 people in back counting on you (and there extended families) and you will be just fine.

 

[ex j-41]

But don't forget to learn which busbar the low fuel temp light is on cause that is a really important item. Or that the clock has a built in 6volt battery. All very very important.

 

[temcgrew]

Didn't TWA ask waterskiers in the interview if they "had ever failed a checkride....except at TSA?" Trends are Trends even in training departments.

 

[rjacobs]

But don't forget to learn which busbar the low fuel temp light is on cause that is a really important item. Or that the clock has a built in 6volt battery. All very very important.

Are you freaking joking, did they really ask that. Ive been through TSA and XJT ground school and never saw that and TSA ground school was way tougher and more in depth than XJT's. I heard that a check airmen at XJT asked a captain upgrade what powered the screen bezels. WTF over.

 

[Mr Biggelsworth]

My last day of flying for this sh!t airline!!! Four more legs and no more Hulass!!!
Just want to say thanks to all the great crews though and if if weren't for them, I'd be six feet under by now. Seeeyaa.

 

[flyinsick]

Are you freaking joking, did they really ask that. Ive been through TSA and XJT ground school and never saw that and TSA ground school was way tougher and more in depth than XJT's. I heard that a check airmen at XJT asked a captain upgrade what powered the screen bezels. WTF over.

The question they ask now is " Why does the Aileron memory item say press and hold, and the rudder memory item just say press?" This is all great Gee Wiz stuff. But it can't be found in any of our manuals.

Also This Ck Airman told this FO that he does not differentiate between Capt and FO he gives them the same oral. - So its all who you get.


The power for the CRT's is a very common Question. we need to be able to fix a DC or ESS bus while flying! Seriously though, Whatever makes us a safer pilot. The rest is nice to know. Not fail stuff.

 

[Black Hawk]

Anyone considering working at TSA should know that this training scenario of a high percentage of busts has gone on for many years at TSA. Training is used to weed out folks they don't want for whatever reason. It's how they do business.

 

[Motive Flow]

Are you freaking joking, did they really ask that. Ive been through TSA and XJT ground school and never saw that and TSA ground school was way tougher and more in depth than XJT's. I heard that a check airmen at XJT asked a captain upgrade what powered the screen bezels. WTF over.

I think he was using hyperbole. But one way to bust an Oral is to dig a hole from the start (like screwing up W&B and limitations). So the Examiner's first impression is; "this guy's weak." From that point on (if he hasn't stopped the Oral), you've got to know your stuff. If you come into the Oral and knock out the Weight & Balance and Limitations with ease, the Examiner knows that you've taken the time to study, and the rest of the Oral is a no-brainer.

Now, failing the CL lights on the 6/6/6 takeoff: that's a pretty old trick (at least in the TSA playbook). If you have been briefed by the Examiner that this is going to be a 6/6/6 takeoff and you see that the visibility is obviously not reduced, just ask "the Tower" for a current RVR (or turn around and ask the Examiner WTF).

Going to your first Recurrent PC? Just study like you did for your Initial check (before coming to STL). This includes looking over the sim profiles. It's better to be over prepared than not prepared. Is it fair that you have to study harder here at TSA than at some other airlines? No, probably not. But get a few Recurrents under your belt and it becomes normal. Happy Festivus!

 

[great cornholio]

Now, failing the CL lights on the 6/6/6 takeoff: that's a pretty old trick (at least in the TSA playbook). If you have been briefed by the Examiner that this is going to be a 6/6/6 takeoff and you see that the visibility is obviously not reduced, just ask "the Tower" for a current RVR (or turn around and ask the Examiner WTF).

Yeah and dont forget to mention that you can see centerline markings too. Another thing to remember is that since its a 6/6/6 takeoff you will need to have a takeoff alternate, so make sure the ask the examiner what airport is listed as your takeoff alternate.