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[DX Rick]

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And as for Subaru investigating modified cars... How odd! A friend of mine got a year membership to the SCCA with his car, and it wasn't a dealer-only promotion. Subaru NA encourages this behavior and then beats ya down for it?? OH THE HUMANITY!!!

Get out of here! What they were saying, that they have a group of people who surf car forums, and attend these road racing events. They show up, get the VIN numbers down on paper, see if they can get any info out of the driver, or just visually see any mods. They send the VINs back to the deal or who ever, and the warantee is voided.
They had some kid on, who brought his car back to the dealer after he had blown and engine racing it. Turns out they had caught him at previous road racing events, and he had to pay out of his own pocket for the engine.

 

[smokey999]

It is an A6 4.2....and he still lost. He said afterwords "I need the chip" The turbo lag kills the car off the line. 4 wheel (quattro doesn't help in the straight away, where majority of street races take place) is a joke. You lose power trying to distribute power to all 4 wheels.

A 1967 Corvette riding on Bias Ply tires reaching the 100 mph mark is down right scary. You're creaping up on 95mph and hear your tires squealing, only to realize that it's the front tires. The lack of aerodynamic down force on the front of the Corvette, causes the front end to lift up off the ground, and your tires begin to sqeal (sp?) because they're being lifted off the ground. That's down right scary.

My Buick when driving home from Iowa many times, I had it up to 120mph with the windows down, one hand on the wheel, and the other out the window. Felt as if I was going 75mph.

I'll still with American made cars.

As many others pointed out, you seem to making things up.
Also, Quattro does improve the overall handling of the car, but the point I was trying to make is this:
Floor your GS and what happens to the front wheels???
Add a little rain, snow, sand, etc...much worse. Even the "slow" A6 will smoke ya. One more thing, if you are really into street racing, why the h ell you drivn' an automatic???

 

[DX Rick]

As many others pointed out, you seem to making things up. Many others? Just one guy there brain child. I was mistaken. I thought all Audi's had the turbos on them. I thought my friends 4.2 was turboed, I was wrong. My friends A4 is.
Also, Quattro does improve the overall handling of the car, but the point I was trying to make is this:
Floor your GS and what happens to the front wheels???
Add a little rain, snow, sand, etc...much worse. Even the "slow" A6 will smoke ya. One more thing, if you are really into street racing, why the h ell you drivn' an automatic???

Floor the GS and what happens? depends on if the TC is on or off. There is not a whole lot of wheel spinning like you think. I'm not into street racing. The one race I am talking about took place on the way home from the gold course. We pulled out, got the red light together, and had a little fun. I bought the car then because I like big cars, with decent sized engines. Just saying that the people who think that thier 4 wheel drive quattro is the hot sh!t of the street because its AWD and going in a straight line, they're wrong. Sure in the corners you will out handle them, and especially on bad weather days. But why the hell are you racing on bad weather days to begin with? Common sense, when you have one power plant supplying power to all 4 tires, you are going to lose power in the end result.

 

[I.P. Freley]

It is an A6 4.2....and he still lost. He said afterwords "I need the chip" The turbo lag kills the car off the line. 4 wheel (quattro doesn't help in the straight away, where majority of street races take place) is a joke.

In the end, this is tall tale in that it may have happened the way you say it did, but there's no reason WHY. Even the old model A6 4.2 is a marginally faster car in a straight line than the Regal, even a Regal with a supercharger. By marginally I mean fractions of a second (one tenth here, two tenths there), nothing you'd notice unless the cars were side-by-side. Actually, at worst, I'd call them dead even.

If you've done some work on your car, or if your friend's car needs a tuneup, or he carries twenty bags of Sakrete in the trunk, then it makes sense... Otherwise this sounds suspiciously like the AOL Car Chat claims like "I smoked an M5 in my new Grand Prix the other day, BMW sucks anyway".

 

[Bart Simpson]

And I will drive over any car with my Excursion.

BUHAHAHA
BUHAHAHAHAHA

 

[I.P. Freley]

I ran door to door in my 2002 Cavalier, with an A4 1.8.....He finally pulled on me around 75mph.

I wish I lived in a world where the only measure of a car was who makes it through the intersection first... It would make automotive engineering so much simpler.

This outcome of this "race" is not particularly surprising, comparing as you are two cars that don't stand comparison. Especially if that Audi had an automatic and the Quattro system, it weighs almost a THOUSAND POUNDS more than the Cavalier (at the very least, it would be like you drag-racing another Cavalier that was weighed down by three additional FAA-spec adults and their carryons). Even the later model A4's with the 1.8 only have 170hp, which is a scant 30hp up on a late-model Cavalier. Frankly, I'm a little surprised you weren't able to pull away slightly.

Sorry Audi guys, your cars aren't that fast.

Considering you are comparing entry-level Chevy to entry-level Audi, I don't understand what you're trying to prove. Using this logic, I could easily say "sorry Chevy guys, your cars aren't that fast".

 

[movingviolation]

Because the entry level chevy is about ten grand less than the entry level audi.

You know the Ferrari 360 is the entry level one in their lineup.... maybe it would be a good idea to race that against an entry level Kia Rio.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an audi fan, but not the A4, the S4 is where it's at. Even that car isn't much on a racetrack. I saw one MELT on the track in GNV this summer. The plastic engine cover melted, the brake fluid and coolent tanks melted. Seeing that car try to hustle around a track was like watching a fat chick in a bikini trying to act sexy. It's got nothing on the M3 (except for the fact that it dosn't spin bearings if you look at it funny)

 

[I.P. Freley]

Because the entry level chevy is about ten grand less than the entry level audi.

I hope you're not really trying to tell me that there is any comparison at ALL between a Cavalier and an A4... If you want to limit it to drag racing, fine. That's your prerogative. If that's your only gauge of the relative worth of two cars, I can't add anything to this discussion. I'll just say this: There's a reason that the A4 is ten grand more than the Chevy, and it's got nothing to do with what flashes on the screen at the end of a 1320-foot race.

As for cars melting on the racetrack, you won't find me quibbling with you that the M3 is a better track car than the S4. This is exactly as the respective manufacturers intended, of course. The M3 is a track car ALL the time, very stiff, very loud, and very rambunctious (much more so than the prior two models of M3, both of which I have street and autocross experience with). The S4 is geared more towards the street and suffers on the track as a consequence.

While these cars theoretically compete in the marketplace, they will attract two different buyers. Typically the M3 will go to the person who is buying a very expensive toy that is less suited for the street but doesn't need it as their only car, and the S4 will go to the person who wants almost all that performance, plus the ability to engage in the more mundane pursuits of grocery-getting and driving to work without knocking out all your fillings. Not to mention what happens when snow or rain enter the picture... I drove an M3 in the snow, or rather should I say it drove ME?... I had a lot more fun in a plain-vanilla A4, because my version of "fun" doesn't involve wondering if I will make it up the hill at night when the roads are covered with snow.

The people who can afford either one of these cars have an enviable choice, to be sure, but I bet in reality there isn't much cross-shopping. I would also point out that the S4 is the only car to ever beat the M3 (of any vintage) in a comparison test in the pages of Car and Driver magazine, which IMHO is the best car rag in the States, if not the world... And the S4 did it TWICE, once with the old 2.7TT engine and again with the newer V8. This is borderline amazing considering the thirty-year love affair C&D has had with BMW. I don't remember for sure, but I think Road and Track came to the same conclusion when comparing the S4, M3 and one of those supercharged M-B AMG's, but I'm not certain.

And no, I don't own stock in Audi.

 

[flynryan15]

Actually the Nov 04 Car and Driver Compared the S-4 to two other cars the Cadillac CTS-V and Mercedes C55AMG. They finished overall S-4, Caddy and Mercedes in that order.

As far as 0-60 and quater mile times the S-4 was last of the bunch. C55 Amg ran 0-60 @ 4.7 Caddy 0-60 @ 4.8 and the S-4 0-60 @ 5.1. The C55 Amg ran the 1/4 mile @13.3 seconds and 108mph, Caddy 13.2@ 109mph and Audi 13.7 @ 102mph

On the skid pad the Audi was .86g's, Caddy .90g's and the C55Amg .85g's.

Researching to find the BMW M3 road test it ran 4.8 0-60, 13.6 1/4 mile and .87g's on the skid pad.

Msrp
Caddy Base 51,295 price as tested 51,295
Audi Base 48,270 price as tested 51,370
Mercedes Base 55,920 price as tested 60,020
BMW M3 Base 50,270 price as tested 50,270


On a side note though most people who spend 50-60 grand on a automobile that is a limited production car don't drive it in the Snow and Rain. They buy airport cars for that.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Actually the Nov 04 Car and Driver Compared the S-4 to two other cars the Cadillac CTS-V and Mercedes C55AMG. They finished overall S-4, Caddy and Mercedes in that order.

Yeah, I am aware of that test, but I was referring to older comparisons that included the M3... And the S4 knocked it off the top in both occasions. Not in raw performance, of course, but overall. Though to be fair, .3 sec in 0-60, .1 sec in the quarter, and .01g in lateral G is essentially a wash. That is what I meant by the S4 buyers wanting "almost all the performance" of the M3 without the drawbacks of the M3.

On a side note though most people who spend 50-60 grand on a automobile that is a limited production car don't drive it in the Snow and Rain. They buy airport cars for that.

I know three people who own S4's. One lives in upstate NY and is on his second S4. The second lives on Long Island. The third lives in the Seattle area (this one is the only V8). All three of these folks live in snowy climes and all three use their cars as their ONLY car. Of these the first two are pilots, so I guess that makes it their airport car, too.

The only person I know who CURRENTLY owns an M3 is not a pilot and has the M3 as his "toy" and regularly drives a Land Rover Discovery (in addition to his wife's SL). As you can probably imagine from their stable of vehicles, neither my friend nor his wife had the bad sense to get into aviation.

 

[flynryan15]

I know a couple of Audi owners 1 S4 and 1 A6 and I know 2 M3 owners and one thing they all agree on is no matter the performance numbers when something breaks the bill is always big. I remember hearing about 1200 dollar brakes on the S4 cause the brakes were ceramic or something like that. Now that has to hurt!!!! Personally I will stick to my 350zx and for the extra 22-25 grand(to buy a German Car) Stillen can make it scary fast.

Thankfully I moved back to Florida so snow is not a problem but I will be purchasing a airport car if I ever get into the airlines.

 

[I.P. Freley]

That's a real nice car ya got there. When I was shopping around a year ago, they were nowhere to be found... You'd have to buy one sight unseen, much less get a test drive. Ultimately it was too expensive for me and there was no way that could be my only car. I don't live in Florida anymore, you see.

I hope you don't think the repair bills on that Z are going to be cheap, though! The Germans and the other European makes are at the top of the heap in repair bills, but sports cars are always going to be more expensive to fix than the grocery-getters.

 

[huncowboy]

Audi drivers are the biggest dumbasses next to SUV drivers of any kind.

that means you are saving for this:

http://www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo.aspx?carID=8246&photoID=63727

 

[huncowboy]

Obviously I have. Not impressed with them one bit. Driven both the A4 and A6.

They're slow, my old 2003 Buick Regal GS smokes my friends A6 Turbo on a regular basis.

yeah the regal is very hot, just don't try to turn with it...

But if you do manage to take it away from granny, it is awesome to take out your gf to.... ummmm.... Wendy's? You can also show your kids all the different plastic that the world managed to produce since the invention of rubber in one car. It only has a 35% larger engine than the A6 and it is madde of c_rap, thus much lighter than the A6 so whadddidya' expect?

I am enjoying my 1.8T A4 more than our other car which is way more powerful. It is not only about performance... like how fast are you trying to drive here anyways? 65 or 75 mph? You put a big _ass engine to anything + turbo + nitro and that will be the fastest... who cares?

 

[I.P. Freley]

But if you do manage to take it away from granny, it is awesome to take out your gf to.... ummmm.... Wendy's? You can also show your kids all the different plastic that the world managed to produce since the invention of rubber in one car. It only has a 35% larger engine than the A6 and it is madde of c_rap etc. etc. etc....

Well.... *sniff*

At least we're able to keep this from degenerating into name-calling, right?

For the record, the Regal GS engine is not 35% larger than the one in the A6, it's 10% smaller... But it's supercharged, and the Audi 4.2 is not force-fed.

 

[huncowboy]

Well.... *sniff*

At least we're able to keep this from degenerating into name-calling, right?



For the record, the Regal GS engine is not 35% larger than the one in the A6, it's 10% smaller... But it's supercharged, and the Audi 4.2 is not force-fed.

For the record... does the Regal not have a 3600cc V6? The A6 has a 2700 Turbo. I don't think he was talking about the 4.2 as that one would smoke the GS and it is not a turbo. Correct me if I am wrong on the Buick but I am pretty sure that the 4.2 A6 is not a turbo so he had to tlak about the 2.7T which was designed exclusively for major captains with 2 teenager lolitas and one overweight wife.

BTW If this won't degenerate to name-calling than this is not flightinfo LOL... I don't think anything was too obscene thus far. Whatever I wrote I did not mean too seriously!!!

Business as usual... tiny name calling, bs rumors, delta vs. comair fights, or comair vs. chautauqua fights, or anyone vs. mesa threads are classics... and lets not forget about PFT, although kind of exhausted yet still going very strong. Why end the fun?! After all this is a 3 page thread, and we have some traditions here alright... plus I just hit 400TT and had a 6 pack cool aid so who the f are u?

(just kidding)

 

[flynryan15]

I.P. Freely

I know what you mean by buying a 350zx being hard. I am fortunate that my nieghbor is the Manager of one of the Largest Z dealers in the country. They don't have a problem letting you drive one before you by one if you are truely interested. I can't comment on repairs on Z's we have had several 300zxs and they have never had problems. Although I do have a extended warrenty good for 100k miles after the factory.

If you decide you want a 350 Jumpseat your butt to the Tampa area and I will make sure you get a deal you can't walk away from.

 

[I.P. Freley]

does the Regal not have a 3600cc V6? The A6 has a 2700 Turbo. I don't think he was talking about the 4.2 as that one would smoke the GS and it is not a turbo. Correct me if I am wrong on the Buick but I am pretty sure that the 4.2 A6 is not a turbo so he had to tlak about the 2.7T which was designed exclusively for major captains with 2 teenager lolitas and one overweight wife.

You needed to read the whole thread, as that issue was covered... He was mistaken in identifying it as a turbo, it was an A6 4.2.

The Regal in question shares the engine found in the Grand Prix GTP (and possibly the top-line Park Avenue and other GM cars that I can't name), a 3.8L V6 with a supercharger. Depending upon year it makes 240-260hp and a like amount of torque (if memory serves).

Now... Where can I find them Lolitas?

 

[I.P. Freley]

If you decide you want a 350 Jumpseat your butt to the Tampa area and I will make sure you get a deal you can't walk away from.

Ahhhh, man, I already promised myself I wasn't going back to Florida unless I was dragged there...

Then again, Ybor City in the "winter" is a fab place to party!

 

[flynryan15]

I would rather goto Channelside over Ybor. Seems like every week someone is getting killed in Ybor gotta love it when it gets Ghetto. Hell this last week Vanderbelt's Runningback was shot and killed in Ybor.

 

[I.P. Freley]

I would rather goto Channelside over Ybor. Seems like every week someone is getting killed in Ybor gotta love it when it gets Ghetto. Hell this last week Vanderbelt's Runningback was shot and killed in Ybor.

Jeez... I guess things have changed a bit since the last time I was there, which was...

*gulp*

9 years ago!

Well, maybe it was them rose-colluh'd glasses.

 

[movingviolation]

I.P. Freely

I know what you mean by buying a 350zx being hard. I am fortunate that my nieghbor is the Manager of one of the Largest Z dealers in the country. They don't have a problem letting you drive one before you by one if you are truely interested. I can't comment on repairs on Z's we have had several 300zxs and they have never had problems. Although I do have a extended warrenty good for 100k miles after the factory.

If you decide you want a 350 Jumpseat your butt to the Tampa area and I will make sure you get a deal you can't walk away from.

As a moderator on www.nissaninfiniticlub.net (the biggest nissan club in the world) I can say that a 350Z would be a great car to own from a MTX perspective. Nissan's are just dead reliable, I beat my 240sx with an SR like a redheaded stepchild and it always got me to work the next day.

I'm guessing your talking about Z fevor in TPA? I know a few guys who work there. Me and Martin were some of the first guys in the country to do CA18DET swaps into an S chassis.

 

[flynryan15]

Yeah went to Ybor last summer and things have change alot. I have no interest in going back.

 

[flynryan15]

No I was actually refering to Lokey Nissan in Clearwater. They were one of the Largest Volume of 350zx's in 03 and 04 so there alocations direct from Nissan are many. Not to mention they dealer trade or just plain buy 350's from allover the country to maintain their inventory.

Do you happen to know the big Z garage in Lauderdale by Executive Airport? I need parts for our 87 300zx nothing major just T-top shades and odds and ends stuff. I know they have a huge Junk Yard

 

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[huncowboy]

You needed to read the whole thread, as that issue was covered... He was mistaken in identifying it as a turbo, it was an A6 4.2.

The Regal in question shares the engine found in the Grand Prix GTP (and possibly the top-line Park Avenue and other GM cars that I can't name), a 3.8L V6 with a supercharger. Depending upon year it makes 240-260hp and a like amount of torque (if memory serves).

Now... Where can I find them Lolitas?

I see.... I did not read the whole thread. 3.8 supercharged is a lot.

btw Lolitas are all over... wonder why they don't speak to me anymore... may be because of the 15 extra pounds of pure fat I managed to put around my neck and waist in the last 6 weeks.

 

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