What would you ask your boss?

[jrbevis]

I am new to the corperate world, only four months old. I am just curious what all of you think the most important questions to ask a new employer are before you take a job.

Also, when a employer is going to send you to FlightSaftey, is it normal that they would deduct the cost of that training from your annual sallary?

Say, your possition normally makes 50k a year. But the cost of school is 18k.
Would or should you take the possition if it pays 32k. (50k-18k=32k)duh!

Thanks for all of your input.

 

[landlover]

Also, when a employer is going to send you to FlightSaftey, is it normal that they would deduct the cost of that training from your annual sallary?

Say, your possition normally makes 50k a year. But the cost of school is 18k.
Would or should you take the possition if it pays 32k. (50k-18k=32k)duh!

Thanks for all of your input.

absolutly not!! if the boss claims this is the norm he is a scumbag liar. I smell sh!tball operation.

 

[G4G5]

I would ask him what my second year pay was going to be?

With his logic you are now worth $50k + $18 in training = $68k year two.

 

[Scooter_San]

Stay Away!! I know you are new and probably excited about the prospect of a new corp. job but trust me this means trouble. I hate training contracts and this is worse than a training contract. I am so damn sick of operators that go out and spend millions on an aircraft but want to go cheap on the most important component in the aircraft. The pilot! If he can't afford the training, he can't afford the aircraft. As far as questions you should ask your potential employer, ask him for a copy of the want ads.

 

[CA1900]

I am new to the corperate world, only four months old.

Funny, you look so much older than that.

Also, when a employer is going to send you to FlightSaftey, is it normal that they would deduct the cost of that training from your annual sallary?

Absolutely not. That's called "pay for training," and it was an epidemic in the regionals only 7 years or so ago. More recently, some employers ask you to sign a training bond -- they'll cover the costs of training, but if you leave before a set period, you owe them for the training.

I don't like them, but they're not entirely unreasonable. I'd negotiate with them if one is offered: I'd want it to be no longer than a year, and I'd want it pro-rated, so I'm not on the hook for the whole thing if I leave 350 days down the road.

But straight out paying for your training, even in "easy monthly installments" taken out of your paycheck? Absolutely not. If he says that's the only way he can do it, that's fine, but you'll require a salary that's $18,000 more than his initial offer.

 

[NYYfan]

you should ask him if he s crazy or just cheap.

Dont sign up for that ....also i know a lot of people talk about having to sign up training contracts. One thing to look into is if they can hold you to it. I heard from some other pilots that in new hampshire the state does not allow companies to hold the employees to a contract. Just what i heard and ill research more but something to think about.

 

[b350capt]

from what i have seen most contracts are 'honor system' barriers. most states dont allow you to hold an employee to them. the other consideration is the legal fees that a small company would incurr will usually outweight the loss of the contract, depending on the pro-ration left. But a word to JR...NEVER pay for training...ever. You are a professional and professionals get paid, they dont pay. It will start with deducting for training, then hotels, then meals, the who knows what else, and after six months you will become just another grumpy old pilot, lol! Do yourself a favor and find a more reputable company who recognizes the thousands of dollars, and hours you have invested to get yourself where you are now. Don't be in too big of a hurry to go fly them big ol' jets in the sky. Take six months, continue to build your time and wait until a more professional company comes along.

 

[NYYfan]

Yeah just like B350capt said. Next thing you know you will be staying in cheap motels with them working you to the bone. Getting into corporate is tough but dont settle for less than you deserve because if you let them get away with it they ll ride you all the way down.

 

[g4800xp]

Ask the Boss

Forget the pay for now, ask him if he is happy at home and or happily married. If he says no to either, and he is an airport rat, good luck, buy a big suitcase and see you on the road. If your building time and single then look at pay. Where do you live, cost of living? A year or two at lower pay, but climbing the ladder may pay off big in a few years. A G2 may be a dinousaur but it is big iron and their are many pilots who will spend a entire career wanting to fly a G of anykind. There are a lot of bottom feeders and scumbags out there but if you find a good boss, life in the corporate world can be the best.

 

[Slice121]

I am new to the corperate world, only four months old. I am just curious what all of you think the most important questions to ask a new employer are before you take a job.

Also, when a employer is going to send you to FlightSaftey, is it normal that they would deduct the cost of that training from your annual sallary?

Say, your possition normally makes 50k a year. But the cost of school is 18k.
Would or should you take the possition if it pays 32k. (50k-18k=32k)duh!

Thanks for all of your input.

What kind of A/C are you talking about? If it's something small like a Lance or Seneca, maybe 32K is not bad. But if you're talking about something larger no f-in way!

 

[AA717driver]

What kind of A/C are you talking about? If it's something small like a Lance or Seneca, maybe 32K is not bad. But if you're talking about something larger no f-in way!

Slice--It's still PFT. What'ya want to bet that second year pay is $50k...? TC

 

[Slice121]

Slice--It's still PFT. What'ya want to bet that second year pay is $50k...? TC

Not endorsing the boss mentioned above. 50K minus recurrent training costs, I guess.:uzi: PFT

 

[jrbevis]

the aircracf would either be a GII or a sabre 65.