What would happen....

[mocaman]

If a very low time pilot like myself (300tt 20 multi) submitted an application to some of the regionals that have been known to hire lower time guys? Would they invite you to an interview just to tell you that "your time is way too low"? Does anyone have any good stories about this kind of thing? Thanks

 

[phishn@daves]

I think most of the regionals hiring low-timers are looking for women or men well endowed so they can go fuc% themselves.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Some regionals will look at your resumes knowing that you can't upgrade for years, thus lower pay, and may hire you. Be careful when looking for your next job, as your QOL and pay will be sub-standard.

Try to find a 135 or 91 job that allows a decent QOL, while still letting you fly a lot. When you have ATP mins start applying to the regionals. The theory behind this would be that you could always go back to a 135/91 job and get some PIC time if a regional decides to furlough, merge, or fold.

Don't just settle for a job because it's an airline, take your time and explore all avenues.

Good Luck to you.

 

[uberbored]

Not to ruin your dreams but i sure hope no one would except you with those times. A) I think 300TT is way to low to be responsible for people, you need to get the crap scared out of you a few more times B) 20 Multi is no experience at all, you could have a crj type with those hours and I wouldn't look twice. Having done the cargo deal for awhile, I know for a fact that I was nowhere near ready when I had the hours you have. Be patient though, get some time and things will come your way.

 

[flatspin7]

I think what you are looking for is----

No you would get the thanks but no thanks email-- There are plenty of 1000 hour pilots out there for the regionals to hire. This is not meant as a dig, but you have got to get some real world experiance outside of flight training.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Try to find a 135 or 91 job that allows a decent QOL, while still letting you fly a lot.

Ironic that with those times, he has less of a chance of finding a 135 PIC job (no chance) than a 121 SIC job (little chance). Maybe (and it's a big maybe) you could, in 200 more hours, find a VFR 135 PIC job, not that there are very many of those to be had. But the entire 135 IFR PIC realm is still 900 hours away. I suppose there are some dubious 135 SIC jobs out there available with 300 hours.

Honestly, say what you will, but this person's closer to an airline job than a typical 135 PIC job. Sad, I know, but that's the "genius" of the FAR's.

 

[AWACoff]

You just never know. I didn't know shoot from shinola with that amount of flight time yet I got hired flying an EMB-120. I use the word "flying" liberally though since I didn't know my head from a hole in the ground. I had some VERY helpful guys teach me how to fly while I was flying passengers around. This was 10 years ago but maybe things don't change that much. AWAC has hired guys with less than 500TT just in the last year or two. I got hired because I bothered the chief pilot so much, he invited me for an interview so that I would stop bothering him.

AWACoff

 

[imacdog]

VFR 135 PIC requires 500 total time, among other requirements.

 

[turbinesurgeon]

If a very low time pilot like myself (300tt 20 multi) submitted an application to some of the regionals that have been known to hire lower time guys? Would they invite you to an interview just to tell you that "your time is way too low"? Does anyone have any good stories about this kind of thing? Thanks

You can spend an extra $25,000 and go to Mesa and they will teach you how to stall a jet and then they will give you an interview. If you get hired they will make sure you hate your life and your career desicion.

Seriously why don't you look into flight instructing. That is probably one of the best ways to build time and instill all that knowledge you just learned.

 

[IHateMgmt]

Ummm... how 'bout you learn how to fly first!?! Seriously, you fast trackers make me sick.

 

[Lolikoka]

Get Multi Time

If a very low time pilot like myself (300tt 20 multi) submitted an application to some of the regionals that have been known to hire lower time guys? Would they invite you to an interview just to tell you that "your time is way too low"? Does anyone have any good stories about this kind of thing? Thanks

If you don't already have it - get your commercial. Then get the "double-I" and "MEI" tickets and start multi-engine instructing. My experience (6 years ago) was that a wealth of multi time might make up for a lower total time, and drilling holes in the sky in a single only gets you so far. Once I was getting within sight of the required minimums, I started bugging airlines. The chief-pilot at ASA back then was Dan Robertson - I bugged him until he called me personally and told me to fly safely and keep building time. A couple of years later I faxed resumes to every name I could get at ASA - and they called me for an interview and hired me even though I was below the official minimums. Dan Robertson is now in charge of hiring at ASA (I think) - and he always seemed approachable.

Don't give up the dream - one day you too can be broke like the rest of us, but it beats the rat race.

 

[mocaman]

Ummm... how 'bout you learn how to fly first!?! Seriously, you fast trackers make me sick.

Ok IHateMgmt, I will take your advice and go learn how to fly! Man, thanks for the great advice. I hope you feel better soon, alot of people have been sick around here to. I am so so so sorry to post such an idiotic question here on FI. Please forgive me IHateMgmt??

 

[blueridge71]

It doesn't hurt anything to send in a resume. Go ahead and send it. You generally need about 200 ME to actually get hired anywhere though.

If they give you an interview, you meet their requirements. They wouldn't call you in otherwise.

 

[Socalplt]

The great thing about hiring someone with low time is they'll put up with way more BS than someone with alot more time and a lot more options. If you've only got 3-500 hours and you're flying something that burns Jet-A I doubt you'll do much complaining.

Additionally, someone with 3000 hours wants to upgrade immediately, while the low timer won't mind 3+ years in the right seat to get the TT up.

 

[paulsalem]

MocaMan,

Sorry about IHateMgmt, you'll get a lot of people like that around here, just ignore them, and with any luck you'll never have to see one face to face. It's not a bad thing you want your career progress. The path most followed is to you get your CFI and start instructing, but you probably know that. If you're looking for a gig flying (as opposed to teaching) your best bet (with your amount of flight time) is to do some networking. Hang out at the airport and you may be able to strike up a conversation with the right person. There are some gigs flying banners you could do. But as far as the regionals go, you're not going to get the response you're looking for (unless you know someone).

You may want to try Air Cargo Carriers, they hire around 500 hours, but its worth a shot. I'd say keep updating your application with them (the squeaky wheel gets the grease) as much as they allow.

Good luck, if you have any questions, there are those of us out here that you can talk to (although I'm not all that much more experienced that you).

Ummm... how 'bout you learn how to fly first!?! Seriously, you fast trackers make me sick.

IHateMgmt,
Looking at your time and aircraft flown, I'm guessing that maybe once or twice in your life you've see a G-5 or a Falcon 2000, (or whatever else) taxi by and thought, “boy I'd like to fly one of those” (even though you're under qualified). He's in the same position, as am I (and I'm sure there isn't a pilot on this board that doesn't wish he had the opportunity to fly his or her favorite aircraft).

So instead of ridiculing this guy for wanting to fly a jet, why not think back to the day when you actually liked flying, or even offer him a word or two of advice on how to pick the right airline or company to fly for, and to help him avoid making the same mistakes you (and everyone else) had made along their career path. After all no one is perfect.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

If a very low time pilot like myself (300tt 20 multi) submitted an application to some of the regionals that have been known to hire lower time guys? Would they invite you to an interview just to tell you that "your time is way too low"? Does anyone have any good stories about this kind of thing? Thanks

I tell you what will happen. You get hired by a regional and in one week you realize why everyone hates you.

 

[IHateMgmt]

Ok IHateMgmt, I will take your advice and go learn how to fly! Man, thanks for the great advice. I hope you feel better soon, alot of people have been sick around here to. I am so so so sorry to post such an idiotic question here on FI. Please forgive me IHateMgmt??

Nope, it's not the question that makes me sick, its your attitude.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Ok IHateMgmt, I will take your advice and go learn how to fly! Man, thanks for the great advice. I hope you feel better soon, alot of people have been sick around here to. I am so so so sorry to post such an idiotic question here on FI. Please forgive me IHateMgmt??

Your attitude will be that of IHateMgmt soon enough. What broke me is in the very same day one of my best friends couldn't provide a christmas for his two daughters, while some young puke in a fast track school told me he would work for free if he could only get his hands on a CRJ. If you hae any conscience this job will break you as you watch your friends and your own life destroyed by this industry.

 

[IHateMgmt]

IHateMgmt,
Looking at your time and aircraft flown, I'm guessing that maybe once or twice in your life you've see a G-5 or a Falcon 2000, (or whatever else) taxi by and thought, “boy I'd like to fly one of those” (even though you're under qualified). He's in the same position, as am I (and I'm sure there isn't a pilot on this board that doesn't wish he had the opportunity to fly his or her favorite aircraft).

So instead of ridiculing this guy for wanting to fly a jet, why not think back to the day when you actually liked flying, or even offer him a word or two of advice on how to pick the right airline or company to fly for, and to help him avoid making the same mistakes you (and everyone else) had made along their career path. After all no one is perfect.

First of all, I could give a sh*t about what type aircraft I fly. Actually, if I could pick, I would go with a J-3 Cub on floats. When I was of the experience level he is, I thought that SOMEDAY I would like to fly a GV or whatever. But I knew I was not experienced enough to fly that type of aircraft to an acceptable level of safety.

I'll give you some advice, mocaman. Flight Instruct till you get 1200tt. By then you should have mastered the ASEL and know the regs forwards and backwards. Then fly cargo. Do that for a year. Thats where you learn how to fly instruments, deal with T-storms, icing, failures, etc. Then you have a choice to make. You will be ready for the airlines and could go that route. I wouldn't recommend that right now, the industry is a POS. You think I've got an airline picked out that is gonna be a getting planes or is a quick upgrade or something, give it a year and then you'll be out on ur a$$. If you can find a good corporate gig and work your way in, do it. That would give a much better job security than airlines right now.

Thats all i got for ya right now. Take the advise... i'm giving you jewels here. Feel free to ask questions, just make sure you got rid of that fast tracker POS attitude.

 

[IHateMgmt]

Your attitude will be that of IHateMgmt soon enough. What broke me is in the very same day one of my best friends couldn't provide a christmas for his two daughters, while some young puke in a fast track school told me he would work for free if he could only get his hands on a CRJ. If you hae any conscience this job will break you as you watch your friends and your own life destroyed by this industry.

Amen.

 

[paulsalem]

I'll give you some advice, mocaman. Flight Instruct till you get 1200tt. By then you should have mastered the ASEL and know the regs forwards and backwards. Then fly cargo. Do that for a year. Thats where you learn how to fly instruments, deal with T-storms, icing, failures, etc. Then you have a choice to make. You will be ready for the airlines and could go that route. I wouldn't recommend that right now, the industry is a POS. You think I've got an airline picked out that is gonna be a getting planes or is a quick upgrade or something, give it a year and then you'll be out on ur a$$. If you can find a good corporate gig and work your way in, do it. That would give a much better job security than airlines right now.

See thats what I'm talking about.

I agree with you.

Thanks

 

[mocaman]

Thanks to everyone for the replies. Ihatemgmt, thank you for your advice as well. You know what...I NEVER did have that "fast tracker POS attitude" that you thought I had. Actually I soled in 1996, private in 97, instrument in 05 and comm multi in 05. I am more like on the "slow as all hell tracker path". Anyway, I forgot for a moment how things written on a message board can get interpreted the wrong way. If you are ever near Gary IN, let me know, I'll buy the first round.

 

[JumpCaptain]

If a very low time pilot like myself (300tt 20 multi) submitted an application to some of the regionals that have been known to hire lower time guys?

Lesson learned:

You would probably get hired and have a very successful career, but for about six months half the people on this message board would hate you.

Oh well.... ...you wouldn't want that, now would you? I guess you'd better go flight instruct another three years.

 

[IHateMgmt]

Thanks to everyone for the replies. Ihatemgmt, thank you for your advice as well. You know what...I NEVER did have that "fast tracker POS attitude" that you thought I had. Actually I soled in 1996, private in 97, instrument in 05 and comm multi in 05. I am more like on the "slow as all hell tracker path". Anyway, I forgot for a moment how things written on a message board can get interpreted the wrong way. If you are ever near Gary IN, let me know, I'll buy the first round.

Glad to hear. I do apoligize for being a little snappy before. I just missed ya, I was in Elkheart last week. Best of luck on your career (unfortunately you'll need it) and keep us posted on any new developments.

-IHM