what were payrates from last AAI TA?

[Colonel Savage]

"I put him in his place very fast..."

Yeah, based on what I've read from you on these boards, I can imagine the endless stream of non-sequiturs that ensued from your side of the cockpit during that monologue.

BTW, I warned you about ALPA getting too cozy with management (regarding SCOPE) during contract talks, and now one of your pilots says on another thread that he believes that Linden might be in Kolsk's back pocket.

And for that you said I was "talking out of my arse"! HA!

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

"I put him in his place very fast..."

Yeah, based on what I've read from you on these boards, I can imagine the endless stream of non-sequiturs that ensued from your side of the cockpit during that monologue.

BTW, I warned you about ALPA getting too cozy with management (regarding SCOPE) during contract talks, and now one of your pilots says on another thread that he believes that Linden might be in Kolsk's back pocket.

And for that you said I was "talking out of my arse"! HA!

Yea I read that too. But he also said we dont get updates, and we get plenty of them.. Just another one of our pilots that doesnt pay attention, that has his mouth wide open.

 

[Colonel Savage]

I just hope the AAI pilots as a group realize that ALPA's track record on SCOPE is abysmal, and that is a matter of fact. My opinion is that if you want to keep your tight scope language, it will probably require some real effort on the rank and file's part to keep your negotiating team focused on that. ALPA National may try to influence them to loosen it to acheive easier contract gains elsewhere (pay rates, scheduling, retirement, etc) to give you guys "the contract you want".

 

[T3700]

Keep what tight scope language?

 

[Colonel Savage]

It's tight relative to the rest of the industry, that's why ALPA would be willing to loosen it to "bring you in line" with everyone else.

 

[maxblast72]

It's tight relative to the rest of the industry, that's why ALPA would be willing to loosen it to "bring you in line" with everyone else.

But you have to remember that over 60% of Airtran's fleet is made up mainline RJs (B717s with 117 seats). Allowing anything over 70 seats would then become very competitive for 717 replacement. I am not worried about 50 seaters. 50 seaters do not have the CASM to haul $69 leisure to Florida and make money. 90 seaters and possibly 70 seaters are a different story. I would be very surprised if too many guys at Airtran are up for loosening scope especially after Republic 100 seaters replaced Midwest 99 seaters last year. ALPA would probably have to come up with Southwest pay rates to find enough guys blinded by money to ignore scope.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

scope is one of the main reason that TA 1 thru 25 failed. Amoung other issues.

 

[Colonel Savage]

What was the unacceptable scope language in the TA?

 

[wood pecker]

While we are discussing previous failed scope, has anyone heard anything about our future scope?

All I have heard is better fo rates and RES will always suck.

I would love to see an added section that will penalize those who will cross the strike line since previous offenders seem to know that nothing will happen to them based on previous events. (I could be wrong but most airlines allowed them back on property in the past.)

How? Each pilot gets a letter in advance that asks if they will cross the line. Check yes or no then mail back. If you answer No, then cross = you get hit with a large fine that goes to our PCF or strike fund.

If you answer yes and cross then there will be no fine and everyone will know what to expect before the strike vote. Wait snow in in ATL. I need to go check my CTweb to update my schedule to help out scheduling.

 

[JerryLundegaard]

What about new hires during a strike? What will happen to them?