what to do?

[planejockey]

You really don't. If you don't understand why, perhaps this career field really isn't for you. Maybe you should consider just buying your own plane and you can be master of your domain to your heart's content. You'll likely be happier in the long run.

thanks for the info birdstrike, I know the guy is more experienced than me but I still think I am a valuable crew member and my opinions no matter how wrong they could be should be addressed. If they are wrong please correct me and tell me why, don't just tell me to shut up. Accidents happen when one guy becomes the all knowing. I could list many accidents when F/O said something and was told to shut up. There is a reason why the airlines have CRM. Yes the capt is the decision maker but keep in mind he can be wrong at times. Again the issue with me is not the mx problem we had, but rather how the capt handled himself. And I got 0 backing from the company when they tell us everyday to speak out and when you do they are not there to back you, by either explaining why you were wrong and what to do next time it happens. I have no problem with ppl giving me BS or taking orders.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Get used to eating sh!t in life. Unless you're one of the "haves."

Personally, I think quiting was very knee-jerk, especially since you barely got your feet wet in the business. You will run into those types frequently and don't expect to much support from management towards a green guy. It's a dirty secret, but you should know that maintenace snafus are fairly common and get swept under the rug often enough in this business.

Never went military, but from what I gather it is much more regimented and requires more discipline than some low-level regional where they play musical chairs with the right seat. Expect the treatment to be a lot harsher. And the kicker is, if you don't like it, you CAN'T just quit. I knew one guy who signed up and went therough boot camp only to beg abd beg to get discharged. He faked a mental illness (he actually is a little off kilter though) to get a general discharge. Let me tell you, he was VERY unhappy on the base and a thin-skinned individual as well which probably factored into his inability to stick out his commitment.

 

[Huggyu2]

SNAP = Sensitive New Age Pilot. The "me" generation of pilots. The ones that always say "it wasnt' MY fault"... "you didn't tell me"...."I'm not responsible"... you get the idea.
I met an ultralight dealer at Oshkosh, and said where he flies, they call them SNAG's (Sensitive New Age Guys/Gals).

 

[Col Reb]

I have no intention of going back to the airlines, not that I am a quitter and running away from a bad experience, the lifestyle just was not for me.

I can't speak for the airline lifestyle, but I can speak for the Navy. Following flight school, you can expect 3 year sea/deploying orders in which you will be gone the majority of the time. Following that tour, you will go to a 3 year shore tour. During the shore tour, you will probably be selected for a 1 year tour to augment an Army unit in Iraq or Afghanistan (I got to go to Iraq). You can expect to wear an Army uniform and carry an M-16 (and not fly). Following this, you can expect to get another set of deploying orders. Don't expect to get much quality time with your family. Most people are in the military for reasons other than the lifestyle.

 

[planejockey]

well I appreciate the help guys, I might have prematurely because of lack of experience but I felt like I did the right thing at the time. I have no problem serving my country and I was planning on doing it anyway, I just did the airline thing till I got the call. The lifestyle I was talking about has nothing to do with time away from home.

 

[Say Again Over]

Sorry things didn't work out for you, not going to nit pick you about the fire detector thing-but as a low time FO you should have asked some questions and followed SOP, having a blow out in flight with a crew member is not in anyones best interest. With an attitude that you know better than the PIC, you will not get anywhere in aviation whether it's military, corporate or anything else, good luck.

 

[AvroGuy]

Sorry, but with 1100 TT and 200 multi I have to assume you'd been working at your regional for no more than about 3 months, which makes you the new guy that dosen't know ********************.

Safety is safety. Fails in flight no big deal, but once on the ground if the capt was unwilling to write it up for mx that is another thing. It is all about CYA.

At my airline, I have come across a couple of capt that don't like to write things up because it will cause a delay and that is BS. If it is broke, get it fixed. Most of the time the capt can defer it as long as we are at an outstation.

Military flying is a whole different ball game. Training missions, take delays. War time mission, get the job done if you can get off the ground and still operate with effectiveness.

 

[CrewDawg]

well if you guys don't believe me its cool but I was there and the way it was handled was not professional. I have no problem shutting up and learning but the way the capt conducted himself was unacceptable. He blew off on me when I questioned it "this is why I hate you new guys, I had over 3K hours of dual given yippidy yappp. We should all start out flying something our level like a Saab maybe" he seriously gave me a long talk about how ********************ty the new age pilots are and how we don't know our place. So the next day I called the CP to resign. It has nothing to do with anything else period. I just simply felt uncomfortable, and would not want my career to go in that direction. Yes it took 3 months for me to leave the regionals but I figured out that its not my type of work. I am too energetic and love what I do and I have no regrets about any of my decisions. BTW I think I owe it to the 50 ppl in the back to voice my concern! I would have been happy to learn why I was wrong but don't just tell me to shut up! I have just as much right to be there like the fellow in the left seat.

Dude, from someone who is currently in A.F. pilot training, if that got your panties in a bunch then you don't want to come to UPT!

 

[JungleJett]

Did your airline NOT have pro standards?

 

[mudkow60]

SIG... where you at now

Lots of helo jobs out there... and you might decide to stay in.

 

[viper548]

well I appreciate the help guys, I might have prematurely because of lack of experience but I felt like I did the right thing at the time. I have no problem serving my country and I was planning on doing it anyway, I just did the airline thing till I got the call. The lifestyle I was talking about has nothing to do with time away from home.

NOTHING happens fast in the military. If you're still waiting for a pilot slot, you won't be going for at least a year. When I enlisted, it took 9 months from the day I told the recruited I wanted to join until I was in boot camp. That was for the air force reserves. I'm sure active duty army will get you there faster...before you change your mind. Good luck getting a pilot slot if that's what you decide to do.

Part of a Captain's job is to mentor FO's. If you were uncomfortable with a couple loops being defered he should have taken the time to explain to you why he felt it was safe to go with it. There are plenty of A-hole captains out there and it will be like that at any job, civilian or military.

Chief pilots don't always back your decisions, that's just the way of life. Move on...the CP probably already forgot who you are. You can always try to avoid flying with the a-holes. It doesn't look good to quit over some bs thing like this

 

[The_Russian]

There is something I think some of you don't fathom. Not because you are not smart enough or because you are ignorant. It is because you aren't applying the facts to the type of work airline pilots do. Our primary job is safety. We have to do things by the book to provide a safe point to point flight for the customers in the back. If someone is not complying with that, then they are a rogue. Our business has no room for that. The original poster was right for refusing to fly the plane.

On the other hand, poster, you should have stuck to your guns instead of just quitting. You have to get used to that sort of thing in this biz, no matter what the type of operation.

 

[bubbers44]

I agree.

 

[Say Again Over]

There is something I think some of you don't fathom

Oops, sounds like someone else that may have had a problem with a captain.

I don't think we can really debate the issue without the complete details of what took place, obviously the chief pilot backed up the captain (and he still wasn't satisfied), I think the poster should give us all the details so we can comment.

 

[OKAV8R]

Good Luck with the Military and hopefully you can get a Slot.

 

[Mud Eagle]

Good luck with the AF....but realize that the quality of life may not be as fantastic as you think!

(this post written from a plywood building in Afghanistan)

 

[Huggyu2]

Exactly! I had a 365-day deployment to Baghdad dropped on me two weeks ago (it was rescinded on Wednesday), and I'm certainly not the first or last pilot to have this happen. Our ACC TRSS Det Commander just got a 179-day to Kabul, so even O-5 CC's aren't exempt.
You'll be sent where the big shots need you, so be "jiggy" with that.

 

[Say Again Over]

(this post written from a plywood building in Afghanistan)

You guys are awesome.

 

[bagasticks]

do I have the job of jobs for you. . . .Get a heavy in the guard or reserves. I wouldn't fly regionals for 20k a year, sit reserves away from home and have some "go" oriented captain chastise me for inquiring about an issue either (I am making the assumption that you weren't disrespectful in your questioning of him). I can guarantee you that in a crew operated aircraft (atleast in the units i've been associated with) if you are uncomfortable about something that you feel is a safety of flight issue (not inconvenient) you will be heard.
Be assured though that there are A**hole's both civil and military.

Another benefit to tying on a heavy in the Guard/reserve is that you'll most likely be in the left seat in 2-3 years if you're decent and your unit has the resources.

Crewdawg-finish upt before you project your infinite wisdom of military aviation upon us. . . .if a jet is broke and no one is atleast discussing it, you're a moron awaiting a future as grainular pink-mist (unless of course, operational necessity dictates the use of your broken jet ie.combat/support)

 

[McGillicutty]

Good luck with the AF....but realize that the quality of life may not be as fantastic as you think!

(this post written from a plywood building in Afghanistan)

Quality of life doesn't get any better once KBR finds swarms of wood eating beatles and ants in the plywood, either.