What SHOULD Regional Airline Pilots Make?

[Flyprdu]

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I guess reading comprehension isnt your stongest attribute... What i said was, "pay them as little as possible, while maintaining a productive and satisfied (notice i didnt say happy) work force."

Oh I saw what you wrote. I think it's a false notion.

It's certainly not what's happening in the real world.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Oh I saw what you wrote. I think it's a false notion.

It's certainly not what's happening in the real world.

Whats false about it? That it happens or that its possible? It is possible, but i dont see it happening in many places.

 

[pilotyip]

You contradicted yourself... you said you'd pay them as low as you could, or keep them satisfied. Which is it? Can't be both.

Hey how about you tell management you want to work one day a month for $100K/mo. You say management would pay you $20K for 28 days work. You know that is not true. They could not attract talented pilots such as your self to maintain their operations. Management has to balance between the two to ensure the bottom line and employee expectations to come up with a workable number. As stated before I am a former union member whose airlines are now out of business. Unions at profitable companies like UPS can ensure the company shares fairly with the employees. It is a process to balance numbers. At marginally profitable airlines unions can do little to force a greater sharing. BTW If you have the answers to your problems you should go into management and make the company a better place to work.

 

[mrnolmts]

Interesting to see how many of you have so little self-worth...

 

[pilotyip]

Interesting to see how many of you have so little self-worth...

How does one determine self-worth, is it internal or is it external to be determined by someone else who possess the power of a supreme being? Am I unemployed and take a low paying job to feed my family, or am I making $250K/yr and have $1M in the bank. The answers will be different.

 

[Flyprdu]

How does one determine self-worth, is it internal or is it external to be determined by someone else who possess the power of a supreme being? Am I unemployed and take a low paying job to feed my family, or am I making $250K/yr and have $1M in the bank. The answers will be different.

Here's my beef, Willow. Let's say management says I'm worth 20k. But yet they pull down at least 50 times that. Is their time 50 times more valuable than mine? Really? 50 times??

 

[COOPERVANE]

Here's my beef, Willow. Let's say management says I'm worth 20k. But yet they pull down at least 50 times that. Is their time 50 times more valuable than mine? Really? 50 times??

Unfortunately the people making 50 times our wages are the very same people who decide how much they are going to compensate themselves.

In this new century, they have been successful in convincing the shareholders that they must be compensated so highly to "attract the best and the brightest" While the middle class just keeps shrinking.

I don't know what will have to happen to reverse this trend

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh208/codeblue_2008/paygraphic.jpg

 

[Flyprdu]

In this new century, they have been successful in convincing the shareholders that they must be compensated so highly to "attract the best and the brightest" While the middle class just keeps shrinking.

It's easy to convince "shareholders" these days. Most investments are institutionally owned. A phone call to a couple fund managers ought to do the trick for a nice raise.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Nothing. Clearly reional pilots are both stubipd and inept (read mainline plot opinion and press pieces. Since regional pilots are both idiots and inept pilots, they should not be paid.

After 25,000 regional, mainline, exprimental flight test and militaryhours, since I prefer regional flying, I too, must be an idiot too.

 

[pilotyip]

Here's my beef, Willow. Let's say management says I'm worth 20k. But yet they pull down at least 50 times that. Is their time 50 times more valuable than mine? Really? 50 times??

Why is every time, pilot salaries come up, they are immediately compared to top management. I saw an article in ATW in 2001 that stated at DAL there were 17 members of top management made more than the top DAL Captain. The combined top 17 salaries equaled less than 1/6 of 1% of the combined pilot salaries. If management worked for free all pilots in the company would get a 1/10 of 1% raise. (for a $100K per year pilot that would be $3/wk increase in take home) Boy that raise would really make the pilot group happy. It is obscene what some of the CEO's pay themselves, but what would fix that, a gov't reg on how much money someone can make? Now I will agree that CEO leadership in many cases leaves much to be desired. An issue of ATW in 2002 had an article about “Airline Management a dying breed”, the article basically said no one wants to do it. The good track record CEO’s are going to other industries. With tremendous, payrolls, overhead burdens, and extremely low margins, there is no tried and true path to success. Most have tried to increase market share, but this has lead to low price and ridiculous breakeven load factors in 95% range. What is management supposed to do? Eliminating management will bring the end quicker for the airplane industry, and their salaries are insignificant to the airlines operating costs. Without management you could not operate the airline, The FAA would shut it down without approved Part 119 key management. Would the pilots step up and become management for free in their spare time?

 

[mrnolmts]

Pilotyip, you have the most asinine views I've seen in a long time. Your argument is akin to the "Do you know that the top 1% pay 40% of all taxes? OUTRAGEOUS!" argument.
I bet you are one of the numbnuts making that statement too, aren't you?

 

[asa rat]

So what defines an airline as "Regional" these days?

Why don't CEOs start their pay scale over when they swap companies?

 

[damnflyboy]

So what defines an airline as "Regional" these days?

Why don't CEOs start their pay scale over when they swap companies?

Love it! Behold! The root of the problem--the inability to make a true lateral move as an airline pilot. If we could determine pay/QOL on aptitude rather than seniority, then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[pilotyip]

Pilotyip, you have the most asinine views I've seen in a long time. Your argument is akin to the "Do you know that the top 1% pay 40% of all taxes? OUTRAGEOUS!" argument.
I bet you are one of the numbnuts making that statement too, aren't you?

Yea I think I made that statement, and your point is? Do you fly airplanes because you like to?

 

[pilotyip]

So what defines an airline as "Regional" these days?

Why don't CEOs start their pay scale over when they swap companies?

Because they have skills beyond flying an airplane. I wish I had gone into management much earlier. As a management person you much more control over your life, and when you leave a job you can move to your next job at almost the same salary. Unlike a pilot whose pay is based upon a position on a seniority list. But I liked flying too much and stuck with the cockpit until I was in my mid-50's, when unemployment forced me into management. I am not degrading the skills of the pilot, but their skills are almost interchangeable, a ten year pilot is almost like any other 10 year pilot. Not so with a CPA who has ten years expereince in Tax policy, or an IT guy with ten year experience in net work development. This is my view of reality, I know it will be countered by some, but please stay away from the name calling.