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Wow, a lot of opinions on this topic, I'll add my two cents.

I went to an aviation college on the east coast of Florida, FIT. Here is their web site for the university and the flight line.
http://www.fit.edu/
http://www.fitaviation.com/

I would highly recommend getting college, even if not an aviation one. My last job was with a commuter airline, and most of the pilots already had degrees. Our chief pilot did not have one, and he could not get interview with even low cost or startup carriers such as Frontier Airlines, while his line pilots with much less time and connections were getting them. A few of the pilots were doing the 4 year correspondence degrees; needless to say it was a huge strain on them, especially after being out of school several years prior. Also, most were taking several years doing the online degrees. Basically, having a college degree might not be stated on the minimums with an airline, but it is always part of the competitive minimums. (Remember, the military services also have colleges too, called academies, where you will get a degree, aloing with your comission.) Without a four year degree in something, even underwater BB stacking, you realistically will not advance past the commuter airline level.

I loved the aviation college experience for the most part. I chose a degree in Aviation Management Flight Technology, which is a combination of Business Management, Airway Science, and Pilot School. The reason I chose this degree is that not only did it have flight school, but also had a fallback business degree in case of loss of medical, etc.

A lot of people have mentioned how the cost is high, and I will confirm that to some extent. But be aware that not only student loans (which you have to pay back), but also tuition wavers are part of a financial aid package. I had over $20,000 given to me by FIT during the four years of college, which worked out to about 25% off of the cost of my college degree. Also, being a college course, government student loans are available, while I doubt that you can get with a mom and pop flight school. I think only private loans are available at mom and pop flight schools.

Another positive of the college flying experience is that you are a known quantity, similar to military pilot. Employers don't like to take risk, so if they have had several great pilots from a particular college they will tend to rank another applicant from that same college higher, as they know if they graduated that program the know their stuff. In addition many of the college flight programs have made deals to get interviews with commuter airlines after graduation. Of course the specifics very by program to program, but some of them will put the top percentage of the class into the right seat of an RJ after graduation. Of course, I would research any of those programs carefully for specifics.

The downside of the go to school and take flight on the side program is that life tends to get in the way of actually flying. Exams, part time work, the girlfriend who wants to go away for a weekend, etc. all contribute to people putting off flying lessons, or having them spaced out. Eventually, when college classes become harder, they may take a semester off from flying, which tends to lead to more long breaks from flying and never finishing getting their certificates.

Other good aviation colleges besides FIT that I can think of off of the top of my head are Embry-Riddle (apply to both campuses individually), University of North Dakota, St. Louis University (they are a religious school), and Daniel Webster University.

Feel Free to PM me about FIT, or other questions, if you care to.
 
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NJAPLT here is list of places I know have hired pilots in the last seven years without a degree. SWA, JB, NWA, UAL, AirTran, according to Air Inc SWA hires 15% non-colege grads, JB 22% non grads, etc. Yes you can progress beyond the regional without a degree. I have seen it happen too many times. Remember only 4 airlines out of 172 persently hiring make the degree a shop stopper. Do not waste your time in college getting a useless degree in basketweaving. Flight time gets jobs.
 
Add Frontier to that list of places that have hired without degrees, the chief pilot I knew got on with them, but it took him a while longer (several years, in my opinion, that is) than if he was able to check the degree box. I wonder what the percentage of nonmilitary, no college degree applicants get hired? Further, I wonder how many didn't have college degrees that were not part of preferential hiring (i.e. white male pilots)? It would make an interesting statistcal analysis.

By the way, did those statistics come from EEOC, Air Inc., FAA or somewhere else? EDIT: (Nevermind, I reread it and saw that you credited Air Inc.) 15% to 22% sounds high to me. I think Air Inc gets their statistics from people sending them data once they are hired, so they don't count every sucessful hire, just the people that bothered to fill out and send in a form. I don't know how scientific that really is.

I've always been told that once you reach competitive flight times, more time really doesn't really help much. At least, that's the advice I had been given through the years. (My favorite advice was from a retired Western Airlines pilot who told me to fake a logbook and go to the airlines; I decided not to take that advice.)

I've based my advice on what I have personally scene in this industry (been working full time about 10 years as a pilot or flight instructor.) I'm sure with your ratings you have been in this industry longer than me though. Still, I'm just giving my opinion based on my experiences.

Last January, I had an a freak accident where I broke up my leg and knee pretty well. For a while they wern't sure if I would be reable to regain my medical again. I was fortunate to have a good doctor and some brand new medical tech they put in my knee, so I only have a very slight limp after all the rehab, and have no problems with my medical. If the worst had happened, I would have been unable to be a pilot, but I still had a degree to fall back on. Without the degree I would not be competive in nonaviation jobs (except asking if the customer wanted fries with that.)

Food for thought for the young man/woman to think about while they are deciding what to do after high school.
 
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I just looked up some statistics on college education for the general population. For the year 2003, 27 percent of the US population has college degrees. Yet, using Air Inc's statistics, those 27 percent obtained over 75 percent of the jobs (worse case.) Leaving the other 73 percent of people to the other 25 percent of the jobs.

Of course, I don't know the actual number of applicants who had degrees vs the general US population. Still, it hints at having a college degree will be a great benefit vs not having one.

If anyone cares to read further, here is the reference I used:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/p20-550.pdf
 
Previously posted on another thread:

High School to the Airlines – Simplified Roadmap to success!

How does a 16-year old high school student get from there to the airlines?

First, everyone’s situation is somewhat different. But in general, aiming to somehow have a job as a CFI while in college is the first good idea. If a person can figure out how to get the money in order to get their Commercial-Instrument and Multiengine ratings while in high school they’ll have the battle half won before that first day of college. Students who enter college with all the ratings are light-years ahead of everyone else. While in high school, a 250-hour “controlled” part 61 program is probably the best approach. Such a program needs to be custom designed with the flight school to include 50 to 100 hours of multiengine time within the 250-hours. .

Choose a college with an aviation program and one where you’ll be sure to get a CFI job either at the college or at the FBO. This is a must in order to have spending money in your pocket and to have a feeling of being on the faculty team. In order to get the CFI job it’s probably be necessary to use one semester at that school to train for your CFI certificate. That way the school will get to know you and you’ll be on an inside track for the CFI job.

It’s good to go to an aviation college or university because such schools usually have several aviation clubs. Join these clubs. The students that you’ll meet in the clubs will be your fiends for a life, plus they’ll also provide networking opportunities for later employment. Camaraderie with the other students of similar interest is a very big plus for choosing the aviation colleges.

It is not necessary to major in an aviation degree program unless you’re a total prop-head. For all the reason shown in the “Biggest lie in Aviation” thread, it’s probably better to major in something of your special interest besides Aviation. This will provide a back-up degree.

After graduation you’ll have probably 800-hours and maybe you’ll have picked up some more multiengine time along the way. These qualifications will probably be enough for a regional airline job.

After a few years you’ll be a CRJ or whatever captain. After about 2-years in the captain position you will be qualified for any major airline or corporate job in the world.

Words or caution, don’t commute to a regional job or your life will be a living hell. Most such people come to hate their work so much that they burn out and change careers. Living local is the only way to do the job. Even with the majors, commuting is hell. No time at home leads to failed marriages and other personal problems.

Good luck.

Questions/comments are welcome.
 
NJAPLT let me reverse your stats. 95% of pilots applying have 4 yr degrees. 5% do not. 90% of the pilot being hired have college degrees. that menas that 5% of the non-degreed applicants are getting 10% of the jobs. Here is a real life example 6 pilots from USA Jet have applied at JB, 3 had 4 yr degree, 3 did not. 1 degreed pilot was hired and 2 non-degreed pilots. All those hired were part 121 check airman, with over 5000 hours, most of it 121 PIC.
 
Well, I guess everyone has there own opinion. I think it is very necessary for a professional pilot to have a degree, no mater what statistics are used.

I had another thought for the original topic, creator. AOPA Flight Training magazine publishes a list of flight schools and colleges that might be helpful to you, no matter which route you decide to persue. Might be worth a look.

Also, may want to look into buying a book on the aviation industry, they have several on the how to be a pilot topic.
 
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Want to become a professional pilot? A 4-year degree is a must or your opportunities will be limited. Having a degree never hurts but without one many opportunities will be lost. Who knows, maybe you will want a government job with the FAA, or a State department of aviation job, or even the US Military. All of these, plus most all major airlines want their pilots to have a degree in something. Anything less is a lower class indication that employers are unwilling to accept. I agree that the pilot job (even B777 capt) doesn't require an education past the 8th grade (if that), so the 4-year degree just shows a person that makes the right decisions. It shows that that individual will probably continue to make the right choices. When you don't have a degree that person is suspect. It's not fair but that's what I have seen.
 
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Read my threads again, I have never don't get a degree, what I have said if you feel you need a degree do it on the side. If you want to be a pilot you fly airplanes. If you go for your 4 yr. degree, at age 24 when you have 500TT 100ME and you get hired by Pinnacle, you will be jerking gear for a 24 year old Captain who has 3 yr. of a on-line degree, 4000TT, 25000 ME and 700 TJ PIC. Two years later he has finished has degree and is interviewing at SWA, JB, AirTran, FedEx, and UPS because of his flight time. You can not build meaningful flight time as a full time student, but you can by doing an on-line degree. To each his own there are many paths to a career goal of professional pilot. Four-year Full Time College is not mandatory to succeed in this business.
 
I will give you the same advice I gave someone else in an earlier thread, and best of luck to boot.


Go to one of the others and get a degree in something useful, and do your flying out of school with the cash you'll save not going to ERAU.

Go to a real college, drink a bit, get laid by a variety of accents, fly at an FBO, use your license to charm the underthings off of the girl (or guy) of your choice, then depending on the war situation you might think about military avenues to build up time (or regardless of the war situation if you are patriotic, brave or crazy/ check one.)

You never know. You spend your entire life with nothing but flying then one day you wake up and wonder why you have heartburn SO bad!!! Two hours later they are trying to keep you alive while you are having a heart attack.
Suddenly that 10,000 hrs. isn't such a big deal. And THEN you will be happy to have a degree in something other than av.
 
The fall back value of an unused degree 25 years later is greatly over rated.
 
What to do

Lilbirny21 said:
So i'm 17 and I have my PPL. I've always kind of wanted to go to embry riddle becasue it has sounded so great. after talkin to people i find out many different things. I hear lots of different ideas on what to do and I really have no idea. I want to one day fly for an airline but i know it will take lots of hours flight instructing and flying cargo, which I would have no problem doing. I know it's impossible to go right out of college and fly with the airlines, but alot of kids my age think you can do that but it's not true. If anyone could give me any schools or advice on what to do that would be great. Or any flight training facilities in florida or south east, that could help me out?

thanks, nick

Get a degree in computer science and have aviation as a HOBBY.
 
Coming from a college aviation program, I would urge you to seek a degree in something other than aviation. Reason being, you will only be able to pursue a flying career as long as you can maintain that medical. What is the fallback plan if you for whatever reason cannot do that? Also, most airlines want to see a degree in something. Underwater Basket Weaving, who cares, as long as it's a bachlors. So much the better if it's something you could use in the furture if your circumstances change.
 
pilotyip said:
The fall back value of an unused degree 25 years later is greatly over rated.

What pilotyip says is correct, but that may not matter. If you're applyng for an FAA job for example, or others, you'll still get the required points to be competitive.
 

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