What is Mesaba's Future?

[SEVEN]

Take the bet, your staffing model for the year is 400 hires to fill the 14 crj 900s and 16 crj 200's..............

I don't think the 16 crj 200's are set in stone yet. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[DoinTime]

I don't think the 16 crj 200's are set in stone yet. I'll believe it when I see it.

Where do you guys plan on getting 16 CRJ's?

 

[xjhawk]

i do not think we are getting 200's, as far as we know the one we have is leaving in june. nothing is announced, do not beleive the rumors your pilot friend starts, he is just an instructor at NATCO (NWA) he may hear rumors, but he is not "in the know" seriously, no one at XJ wants to take planes from anyone at pinnacle...........we have some idiots, yes but no one want to take jobs....we want to stop the whipsaw

 

[captain dad]

get Out!



Good Luck.

 

[~~~^~~~]

ALPA to Fight Encroachment on Mesaba Pilots' Job Security
Monday February 19, 10:00 am ET
WASHINGTON, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l (ALPA) issued the following statement from its president, Captain John Prater, in response to recent public statements made by MAIR Holdings CEO Paul Foley indicating that in his estimation MAIR is no longer bound by a January 2004 job security agreement with ALPA that requires all MAIR operations above 19 seats be flown by Mesaba pilots. "Our international union stands behind the Mesaba pilots in this ongoing fight. We take the Letter of Agreement between ALPA and MAIR Holdings very seriously, and I have devoted Association resources and legal expertise to fight MAIR's bizarre lawsuit challenging that agreement. ALPA will not allow pilot jobs to be stolen -- and the Mesaba pilots have the Association's 60,000 members on their side.
"ALPA firmly believes that this letter of agreement remains in full effect and continues to be binding on MAIR. More than $120 million in profits produced by pilots and other hard working Mesaba employees was funneled to MAIR Holdings before Mesaba Airlines entered bankruptcy in October 2005. Mesaba employees were forced to take significant cuts in wages and benefits in bankruptcy to help the carrier survive this upstreaming scheme.
"Our pilots came very close to striking Mesaba during protracted contract negotiations, which culminated in January of 2004. The strike was averted, due in no small part to the attainment of the job security commitments which are recited in the MAIR Letter. MAIR CEO Paul Foley committed job security to Mesaba pilots then, and we expect him to remain committed to them today.
"During Mesaba's Bankruptcy Court proceedings, Mesaba unsuccessfully attempted to persuade the Court to allow it to nullify the letter between ALPA and MAIR. After being rebuffed by the Minnesota Bankruptcy Court, MAIR has now run to Texas to ask a federal court there to invalidate the same letter. This shameless forum shopping ought to be seen for what it is -- an attempt to evade a legal obligation that was freely entered into by MAIR Holdings, and a legal obligation that MAIR has recognized it was bound by since January 2004. ALPA calls on MAIR Holdings to withdraw the lawsuit and honor its agreement with the Mesaba pilots."
Mesaba operates as a Northwest Jet Airlink and Airlink partner under service agreements with Northwest Airlines. The airline serves 72 cities in the United States and Canada from Northwest's and Mesaba Aviation's three major hubs: Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and Memphis. Mesaba Aviation operates an advanced fleet of regional jet and jet-prop aircraft, consisting of the 34 passenger Saab SF340, and the 50-passenger Canadair Regional Jet. Mesaba filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on October 13, 2005 and continues to operate as a debtor-in-possession.
Founded in 1931, ALPA represents 60,000 pilots at 40 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at http://www.alpa.org.




Source: The Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l

I'm not sure I understand. Wasn't ALPA the same union that required NWA to bring in another RJ operator during the Bridge Agreement and who negotiated the start up of Compass? What happened to Mesaba's BAE146's and why couldn't they be replaced?

Ohh yes - nevermind - I get it. It has to do with whether the Mesaba pilots are threatened by NorthWest pilots (in which case ALPA helps management) or if the threat is external.

Mesaba is in the same shoes ASA, Comair and the US Air WO's are in. You have a part time union who will just as quickly get into bed with management as to get into bed with you.

With all the alter ego competition and ALPA's lack of unity I could not reccommend a job at any Regional, or Express carrier (except for maybe Republic, Horizon, or maybe SkyWest). Like Captain Dad said - get out and run like your career depends on it.

If we had an effective union things could turn around, but ALPA is not about to even ask its mainline pilots to stand beside their Connection / Express / Regional members.

 

[Smarta$$]

Where do you guys plan on getting 16 CRJ's?

I think he is saying that we will lose the 17 after we don't have a contract by March 31.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I think he is saying that we will lose the 17 after we don't have a contract by March 31.

Exactly, remember that 9E has no more value to the execs at NWA other than the minimum IPO. The value of both compass and mesaba must be maximized to see the greatest ROI. Expect the minimum number of CRJ's in the ASA at pinnacle, which is minus the 17 extra jets. Any 76 seat expansion will go to compass with the ERJ.

 

[jumppilot03]

I just saw this plane land while out at MSP 601XJ. It has been sitting on the ramp every time I have been to IAD. I hope its XJ pilots flying it. But why no Mesaba callsign?


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N601XJ

 

[XJohXJ]

I just saw this plane land while out at MSP 601XJ. It has been sitting on the ramp every time I have been to IAD. I hope its XJ pilots flying it. But why no Mesaba callsign?


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N601XJ

Because it is operated by Compass Airline. NWA gave the plane to Mesaba, and then they used the bankruptcy court to take it back. Then they gave it to Compass instead.

 

[i fly boxes]

Take the bet, your staffing model for the year is 400 hires to fill the 14 crj 900s and 16 crj 200's..............

You are an idiot, nothing you say ever comes true. Please change your name to Your Pilot Moron

 

[xjhawk]

Classic, I tend to agree with I fly boxes, "your pilot friend" tends to post a lot of rumors he hears in the lunch roon over at NATCO. If he would ever make a statement that had some link that backed up his boastings, then I would not be ripping his posts. If he had a disclaimer, that he thought this....or that, then thats cool too, but he always makes these post that have no merit or substance.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

What have I said that hasn't come true?

 

[ARJLVR]

But, isn't most of what is posted here mostly rumor and speculation...or wishful thinking? I like to hope that all the good rumors come true and that the bad rumors end up being nothing more than negative speculation. Other than that, I water most of this down when I read it (it's an automatic reaction now) and just hope for the best for everyone at XJ.

 

[xjlifer]

YPF=Best F.I. Fisherman ever. He never fails to hook a few with every post.

 

[xjhawk]

i agree, YPF has posted that xj will get the 900, will not get the 900, will get this will not get that. that 9E will get the 900 will not get....and on and on.

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

mark my words on this NWA will give mesaba more than 36 crj-900's, 9e got 100+ 200's measba will get the options on the 900's--History repeats itself.
after the 36 NWA will say mesaba will get XX more the isuue a IPO and make mill's

 

[SplitBar]

mark my words on this NWA will give mesaba more than 36 crj-900's, 9e got 100+ 200's measba will get the options on the 900's--History repeats itself.
after the 36 NWA will say mesaba will get XX more the isuue a IPO and make mill's

Yup, sounds about right. Should be a sweet ride.

 

[JamesD]

I heard that nwa was going to upgrade the compass emb a size and be flown at mainline. This would allow Mesaba to exercise all 90 of the options for the CRJ 900 and resolve all isues of the scope

 

[i fly boxes]

What have I said that hasn't come true?

I will sum it up when back in november or december you said the avros were coming back.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I will sum it up when back in november or december you said the avros were coming back.

That was a joke.....because when they signed the 2004 contract the avros came back.

 

[Fly4hire]

I heard that nwa was going to upgrade the compass emb a size and be flown at mainline. This would allow Mesaba to exercise all 90 of the options for the CRJ 900 and resolve all isues of the scope

Source?

And while allowing XJ to fly all 90 76-seaters, it still does not resolve flow up/down issues for both NWA and XJ pilots that are part of being a class 1 affiliate.

 

[Fly4hire]

I heard that nwa was going to upgrade the compass emb a size and be flown at mainline. This would allow Mesaba to exercise all 90 of the options for the CRJ 900 and resolve all isues of the scope

Source?

And while allowing XJ to fly all 90 76-seaters, it still does not resolve flow up/down issues for both NWA and XJ pilots that are part of being a class 1 affiliate.

 

[ikillbigfoot]

Is there a pay-scale in place for Captains on other aircraft than the Saab in place?

I assume they won't be like Skywest and fly larger airplanes for the same money, especially since they used to have Avro's with differential pay.