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"The cost of strengthening the runways could be high and the work lengthy, La Tribune said. For Air France, switching overseas territories flights to Paris’s Roissy airport could cannibalize some future expected capacity, La Tribune said."
And I suppose the costs of modifications to airports in order to be able accomodate the A-380 are minimal? What rubbish!
And I suppose the costs of modifications to airports in order to be able accomodate the A-380 are minimal? What rubbish!
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The runways in Orly has been found to be less structural sound than expected, and the -300ER excercises more pressure pr. wheel than a 747-400, in fact higher than the (revised) limits allow for.
Air France has therefore told ADP to get the runway sorted in time for the -300ER to enter service from there. You will have noticed that there are no runway issues for CDG, and one could therefore be led to belive that Air France is simply being prudent and planning ahead.
Or you could just bash the French out of ignorance ... FWIW, Air France chose the -300ER over the A340-600 in close competition. I suppose that does very little to help some with their patological and ridiculous hatred of anything French, simply because they had the audacity to say non when GWB invited them to join in GWII, and took the time to defend their position in an international forum.
bofecus
Air France has no plans to operate the A380 out of ORY, and ADP will be modifying CDG to cope, very well thank you very much, with the A380. The A380 also has a lower LCN than a 747-400.
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I don't think even Boeing would claim that the 777-300ER is in any way, shape or form a competitor to the A380. And both Air France and KLM are very happy with the performance of their 777s, as stated above.
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Air France has therefore told ADP to get the runway sorted in time for the -300ER to enter service from there. You will have noticed that there are no runway issues for CDG, and one could therefore be led to belive that Air France is simply being prudent and planning ahead.
Or you could just bash the French out of ignorance ... FWIW, Air France chose the -300ER over the A340-600 in close competition. I suppose that does very little to help some with their patological and ridiculous hatred of anything French, simply because they had the audacity to say non when GWB invited them to join in GWII, and took the time to defend their position in an international forum.
bofecus
Air France has no plans to operate the A380 out of ORY, and ADP will be modifying CDG to cope, very well thank you very much, with the A380. The A380 also has a lower LCN than a 747-400.
Flyeyes
I don't think even Boeing would claim that the 777-300ER is in any way, shape or form a competitor to the A380. And both Air France and KLM are very happy with the performance of their 777s, as stated above.
Still eating Freedom Fries?
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EuroWheenie, I never suggested that the A-380 was to be operated from ORY. No one is French bashing here, it sounds like a classic case of poor planning and construction on behalf of whomever is responsible for runway engineering. Are there any other airports in the world that have runway strength issues with the 777-300ER??
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bocefus
I haven't the foggiest
If one read between the lines, it's aparent that the ORY runways was capable of handlng existing traffic, and should technically be able to accomodate the -300ER. Then someone went out and got engineer-ish about it, did some measurements and ups-a-daisy found the runway not in the state it should have been. AF then rung the alarm bells and told ADP to get cracking with a refurbishment job. Present issues seems to revolve around who gets to foot the bill. AF is obviously saying that since they pay their "taxes", ADP should pay. ADP are, equally obviously, dragging their heels but will in all likelihood end up paying.
siucavflight
No Cognac? No Grand Cru's? No Champagne? No LVT bags, Hermés scarfs or Chanel perfumes for she who must be obeyed, no strolls down Pont Neuf with her indoors? I can understand anyone not wanting to buy a Peugeot or Citroen, but there are quite a few french products I would not like to live without! Likewise, there are quite a few American products that continually makes my day - like the cloud of aluminium that keeps me in beer and sandwiches, the Coca Cola that clears my drain pipe when it's clogged and SoCal that keeps me ROFL
I haven't the foggiest
If one read between the lines, it's aparent that the ORY runways was capable of handlng existing traffic, and should technically be able to accomodate the -300ER. Then someone went out and got engineer-ish about it, did some measurements and ups-a-daisy found the runway not in the state it should have been. AF then rung the alarm bells and told ADP to get cracking with a refurbishment job. Present issues seems to revolve around who gets to foot the bill. AF is obviously saying that since they pay their "taxes", ADP should pay. ADP are, equally obviously, dragging their heels but will in all likelihood end up paying.siucavflight
No Cognac? No Grand Cru's? No Champagne? No LVT bags, Hermés scarfs or Chanel perfumes for she who must be obeyed, no strolls down Pont Neuf with her indoors? I can understand anyone not wanting to buy a Peugeot or Citroen, but there are quite a few french products I would not like to live without! Likewise, there are quite a few American products that continually makes my day - like the cloud of aluminium that keeps me in beer and sandwiches, the Coca Cola that clears my drain pipe when it's clogged and SoCal that keeps me ROFL
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EuroWheenie said:bocefus
I haven't the foggiest
siucavflight
No Cognac? No Grand Cru's? No Champagne? No LVT bags, Hermés scarfs or Chanel perfumes for she who must be obeyed, no strolls down Pont Neuf with her indoors? I can understand anyone not wanting to buy a Peugeot or Citroen, but there are quite a few french products I would not like to live without! Likewise, there are quite a few American products that continually makes my day - like the cloud of aluminium that keeps me in beer and sandwiches, the Coca Cola that clears my drain pipe when it's clogged and SoCal that keeps me ROFL
Dont shoot I'm a French Euroweenie
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From the article:
Now, the difference my be small, but considering that someone seems to be skewing the numbers in Airbus' favor coupled with the comparision to the A380, --not to mention the any article written by Reuters is automatically suspect of ant-American bias-- and I'd say that anyone who read this article and said "WTF" to themselves was certainly not out of line.
I don't know about anyone else, but I only count 20 on the mains.
Now, the difference my be small, but considering that someone seems to be skewing the numbers in Airbus' favor coupled with the comparision to the A380, --not to mention the any article written by Reuters is automatically suspect of ant-American bias-- and I'd say that anyone who read this article and said "WTF" to themselves was certainly not out of line.
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"I suppose that does very little to help some with their patological and ridiculous hatred of anything French, simply because they had the audacity to say non when GWB invited them to join in GWII, and took the time to defend their position in an international forum."
Actually, the 'hatred' comes from more than just the typical frog lack of spine. Most Americans have family members burried in french soil. We also have noted the self serving actions since 1945 which have served to prove the genuine lack of gratitude for our nations sacrifice in your interests.
Do not look to this side of the pond for any friendship frog, there is none left in the heartland of America.
You should carry that sentiment back home to your fellow county women on your way out of this land and also pass along the FACT that this sentiment comes from MANY years of frog actions, not just the lack of support after 9/11.
Actually, the 'hatred' comes from more than just the typical frog lack of spine. Most Americans have family members burried in french soil. We also have noted the self serving actions since 1945 which have served to prove the genuine lack of gratitude for our nations sacrifice in your interests.
Do not look to this side of the pond for any friendship frog, there is none left in the heartland of America.
You should carry that sentiment back home to your fellow county women on your way out of this land and also pass along the FACT that this sentiment comes from MANY years of frog actions, not just the lack of support after 9/11.
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