What if....

[bell47]

Lets say if you are co-pilot and the pilot is taxiing out to the runway, and you say" hey capt there is the hold short line, stop. Right there, capt, stop!" and he says" no it's not i've got it" and taxies across an active runway are both pilots in violation?

 

[Dumbluck]

depends on the Fed. who's questioning/investigating

get ready for a meeting at a long table with no ashtray

Good luck

 

[OCP]

Pull the cockpit tape and the FO probably wouldn't get anything done to him.

 

[5ontheglide]

this was....

CLE wasn't it!

 

[dojetdriver]

Lets say if you are co-pilot and the pilot is taxiing out to the runway, and you say" hey capt there is the hold short line, stop. Right there, capt, stop!" and he says" no it's not i've got it" and taxies across an active runway are both pilots in violation?

I agree with the one guy, probably depends on the Fed. From personal experience, yes, an FO can be held accountable for runway/taxi way incursions as well as altitiude/clearnence deviations

 

[psysix]

That's why they have TWO sets of brake pedals. That the question is even being asked speaks volumes to the timid and inexperienced copilots the regionals are hiring nowdays. An experienced pilot with a fair amount of PIC time and decision making ability will NOT allow anyone (even the precious regional captain) to take a chance on violating him. Stop the plane and figure it out BEFORE you cross if you are not sure.

 

[Road Rash]

Hind-sight is always 50/50, at least thats what they say.

In my years of beaing and F/O I had to jump on the binders twice for the exact reason you discribed. Both times the captain had the look like I just stole his twinkie, but after he/she relised I just saved him from a trip to C/P office, or something much worse, we went on with the trip and no big deal.

my two cents.

 

[wmuflyguy]

If your the FO stomp on the brakes. The FO could get nailed too.

Stomp on the brakes, explain yourself later.

 

[5ontheglide]

and if you don't

if you don't stomp the brakes you may not have a chance to explain why you didn't.

 

[dojetdriver]

That's why they have TWO sets of brake pedals. That the question is even being asked speaks volumes to the timid and inexperienced copilots the regionals are hiring nowdays. An experienced pilot with a fair amount of PIC time and decision making ability will NOT allow anyone (even the precious regional captain) to take a chance on violating him. Stop the plane and figure it out BEFORE you cross if you are not sure.

I just about shart my pants. YOU actually had something to say for once? No stupid A$$ question about this topic? unbelievable!

I guess you came out of the womb as a super pilot and never made a mistake.

 

[Mike man]

Stop the freaking airplane...or ask ground/tower before you taxi across.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Step on the brakes. Better to have to discuss the problem with the Capt. over a beer on the overnight than with the Feds. on your day off.

 

[runwayjockey]

Just make sure you step on the brakes softly so he doesn't drop his cell phone and spill his coffee!

 

[FN FAL]

That's why they have TWO sets of brake pedals. That the question is even being asked speaks volumes to the timid and inexperienced copilots the regionals are hiring nowdays. An experienced pilot with a fair amount of PIC time and decision making ability will NOT allow anyone (even the precious regional captain) to take a chance on violating him. Stop the plane and figure it out BEFORE you cross if you are not sure.

No shiite, even the biggest ego will realize that this was a good thing if the FO was correct.

Sometimes I have the pleasure of our own company captains jumpseating with me and I have found that the occasional confusion they add to the cockpit is more than outweighed by the few times they have helped.

 

[mckpickle]

I hit the brakes once when I was an fo....CAptain bought me dinner!

I always tell my FO's to hit em if there is a question. I'd rather tem do that than bend an airplane. My ego can handle the fo, it can't handle the allternative!

 

[Frap]

Keep in mind when you stomp on the brakes that your flight attendant(s) may still be up and about (that is if you're taxiing out for takeoff.).

I know of one FA who was out on worker's comp because one of the pilots hit the brakes too hard (first flight of the day brake check). Injured her neck.

Both pilots need to keep track of the taxi route. Period.

 

[smokey999]

This is why a diligent FO should ask to use the brakes every once in a while just to get the feel. That way if the FO feels he needs to brake, it won't cause passenger discomfort, or worse possible injury. (i.e. FA)
Also, as many stated, a prudent CA's brief should include some sort of statement pertaining to situations like these. As an FO, I've got no problem explaining why I thought I needed to use the brakes to the CA. I think it beats trying to explain to a Fed why you didn't use them. Most CA's will respect that.

 

[AWACoff]

Hit the brakes. I would rather you be part of the team than part of the problem. What's the captain going to do...report you to PRO-Standards? Help us out, we are not perfect.