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ualdriver

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I see lots of people complaining on this forum that ALPA does "nothing" for its members, so when I run across the many examples to the contrary, I'll post them up here.

Not an earth shattering victory, but yet another example of MANY illustrating the little things that get done for the pilots' benefit.

3. On July 27, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the Conference Report on H.R. 1, a bill to implement recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, by a vote of 371-40. The Senate passed the same Conference Report on July 26, by a vote of 85-8. Contained in this measure is a provision developed and promoted by ALPA which requires the TSA, after consultation with airlines, airports and flight crew unions, to report to Congress within 180 days of enactment on the status of establishing a process that would give flight deck and cabin crew members expedited access through screening check points. The TSA is further directed to begin full implementation of the system no later than one year after submitting the report. The bill now goes to the President, who is expected to sign it into law.

This is a significant victory for ALPA. Expedited access through screening has been a top priority of this union for quite some time. It became the top priority of ALPA President Capt. John Prater and the Executive Council when they convened their first meeting in January of this year. ALPA worked with the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee to get the language in the Senate bill and then lobbied the Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), and his staff to agree to it in conference.
“This bill, upon the President’s signature, starts a 180-day clock for the TSA to consult with airlines, airports and flight crew unions on how to improve airport access,” said Capt. Prater. “ALPA has prepared for this opportunity. We have a proposal that provides a low-cost and effective process to leverage existing technology to screen crew members, saving TSA time and money.

“ALPA's National Security Committee (NSC) and industry are moving forward with a CrewPASS prototype program and we are in the process of identifying airports with established crew portals to test the program. The group is also looking at how long the prototype phase should last, how many airports should be part of the prototype program, and what infrastructure would be needed at each test site.”
We will keep you advised as to progress on the issue.
 
ualdriver-

ALPA may not get any earth shattering victories... why?

Becuase if ALPA were to get an earth shattering victory that would mean someone else had a major defeat. It hardly works that way....especially for a small labor group of 60,000 who are obligated to operated jets via the RLA.

But we do get to move the ball a little bit down field. And that is good. We move ball via a members support. Got ALPA-PAC?
 
Thanks for posting that, ualdriver. This was an important priority for the Association, and I'm glad that significant progress has been made.

An excellent example of what ALPA and ALPA-PAC can do.
 
Yea for ALPO.

No where is my raise and pension???

I don't know. Believe it or not, the ALPA leaders at that time didn't conspire to cut their member's pay in half, trash work rules, and elimate pensions. Market forces took those things away, not ALPA. But if you need someone to blame, feel free to blame the Association. They make for a very convienent punching bag and are also responsible for such things as global warming and for Pluto no longer being considered a planet.

I guess you could ask, however, the pilots at the MANY airlines that existed at the time (late 90's early 00's) that felt that working for 1/2 the going rate with crappy work rules and no pensions in order to subsidize their company's bottom lines was a "good" thing for them and the industry. Let me know what kind of answers you get. Most of the answers I get involve copius amount of denial but perhaps you'll do better.

edit: I guess one could make an argument that ALPA would sort of indirectly be responsible for global warming, if global warming is really occurring.
 
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Boy the ALPA cheerleaders are out in full force today.

Last time I checked ALPA administered most of the paycut contracts. Paycuts do not get sent to membership vote without the leadership striking a deal to do so. ALPA is run by pilots. No market force caused anything. If this was a real union we would have collectively said hell no to any concessions.

Oil is at its highest price level. Airlines are making money due to the fact that pricing is in line with costs.

The concessions are a direct result of ALPA members who voted out of fear and lack of a backbone.

It is a shame what this industry has turned into due to all of those company loving concessionary pilots.
 
They make for a very convienent punching bag and are also responsible for such things as global warming and for Pluto no longer being considered a planet.

Classic. :)

Boeing747Driver, you can't blame the organization for the collective stupidity of the membership. The membership got exactly what they voted for: deep concessions. ALPA merely gave the people what they asked for.
 
Boy the ALPA cheerleaders are out in full force today.

No we just get tired you guys waving your swiss army knives in our rubber life boat...


Last time I checked ALPA administered most of the paycut contracts.

ALPA meaning each and every individually locally represented pilot group?


Paycuts do not get sent to membership vote without the leadership striking a deal to do so.

No, the MEC/NC poll the membership to see what they want, they try to deliever and then they offer that TA to the pilots to vote on democracy style...


ALPA is run by pilots.

Ok..so is it ALPA or pilots?

No market force caused anything. If this was a real union we would have collectively said hell no to any concessions.

Folks this is called "I don't have the responsbility so therefore I can afford to say wahtever I feel like..."

Oil is at its highest price level. Airlines are making money due to the fact that pricing is in line with costs.

Maybe you should be in management...

The concessions are a direct result of ALPA members who voted out of fear and lack of a backbone.

So is your problem with ALPA or the members..

It is a shame what this industry has turned into due to all of those company loving concessionary pilots.

Ok... this is the second time you blamed pilots... so c'mon tell us... is it pilots or ALPA...




ps. you think management cares if you have a mustang?
 
It always easier for someone to blame ALPA as some mythical, all-empowered force that "screwed" them rather than it is to take ownership of the actions of you and your pilot group...

Here's to hoping this advancement gets sped along (heh, yeah...)
 
Last time I checked ALPA administered most of the paycut contracts. Paycuts do not get sent to membership vote without the leadership striking a deal to do so. ALPA is run by pilots. No market force caused anything. If this was a real union we would have collectively said hell no to any concessions.

Oil is at its highest price level. Airlines are making money due to the fact that pricing is in line with costs.

The concessions are a direct result of ALPA members who voted out of fear and lack of a backbone.

It is a shame what this industry has turned into due to all of those company loving concessionary pilots.

No, no. You're right Boeing747Driver. It's ALPA's fault, not market forces. Every ALPA carrier would have been able to compete with the AirTran's, JetBlue's, Frontier's, etc., of the world in the late 90's and early 00's if we all just had the "backbone" to keep our pay, work rules, and retirement. We still could, right? American, Delta, United, Northwest, US Air would have no problem competiting with those previously mentioned carriers with thier pensioned, $240/hr. Airbus Captains with TONS of time off. It's not economics. It just backbone. That's what makes an airline competitive. Thanks for that lesson in airline economics!

I guess you could make an argument for blaming the individual ALPA pilot groups. Their choice was LCC pay, work rules, and lack of pension, or go the way of the dinosaur. Either way, the realities of the LCC market forces dealt us that hand, not ALPA.

P.S. Boeing747Driver, the way that you substitute "ALPO" for "ALPA" is absolutely hilarious. The way you switched that "a" for an "o" is ingenious! That's awesome! Please, keep those word games coming!
 
ALPA is a positive,and the only force for change at good,old MG
 
Glenn Tilton made $40M last year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20059988/

Management pay is not even something ALPA tracks or publishes regularly. It is not even a concern.

Let the excuses flow-------

Are you kidding me? We picketed the UAL shareholder's meeting, LAX, company headquarters in Chicago, and will be doing the same in DEN and SEA very shortly over THAT EXACT ISSUE. In fact, one of the picket signs that I personally carried said, "UAL CEO 40 million. Labor: 0. This is sharing?" Every other word out of our MEC's mouth involves executive compensation.

Unfortunately, ALPA members don't control executive compensation, especially considering that all except one of our Board members were hand picked by Glenn. All we can do is picket the company, not help out (unfortunately we have some tools that are real "helpful" pilots), and otherwise express our anger with the largess of our executives' pay checks.
 
Go get some pom poms guys.

ALPA is run by airline pilots. They go hand and hand.

I can see all the Yes voters are in this thread.

I am proud of you paycut supporting boys.

Work for less the ALPA cheerleader dream.
 
Classic. :)

Boeing747Driver, you can't blame the organization for the collective stupidity of the membership. The membership got exactly what they voted for: deep concessions. ALPA merely gave the people what they asked for.

Are you crazy.
ALPA gave the company exactly what they wanted.

No one in their right mind would vote for a paycut unless they were scared.
 
Back to the original subject...

I am glad to hear ALPA has been working on something positive for the profession. However I'll withhold praise until this new system is put into operation. Then and only then will you know for sure that your dues and or PAC monies have been spent well...
 
I am glad to see such important items as airport security are at the top of the achievements list this year.

Just keep the RLA on the backburner for another decade. I don't care- as long as I don't have to go through TSA screening a few times a week I'm happy.
 
I am glad to see such important items as airport security are at the top of the achievements list this year.

Just keep the RLA on the backburner for another decade. I don't care- as long as I don't have to go through TSA screening a few times a week I'm happy.

Hey Dirty watch out the pom pom boys are going to come after you.

You hit the nail on the head. RLA or TSA screening line. Humm
 
Are you crazy.
ALPA gave the company exactly what they wanted.

The company didn't have a vote. The pilot group did. Whether you like it or not, the rank-and-file line pilots voted for those concessions that you're talking about. You want to know who to blame? Don't look to Herndon. Look to the guy sitting next to you in the flight deck.

No one in their right mind would vote for a paycut unless they were scared.

Of course they were scared. What's your point?
 
The company didn't have a vote. The pilot group did. Whether you like it or not, the rank-and-file line pilots voted for those concessions that you're talking about. You want to know who to blame? Don't look to Herndon. Look to the guy sitting next to you in the flight deck.

Of course they were scared. What's your point?


ALPA provided the means to negotiate the concessions.

Do you even work for an ALPA carrier?
 
I am glad to see such important items as airport security are at the top of the achievements list this year.

Believe it or not, this is one of the biggest issues that pilots brought up at the road shows and in polling.

Just keep the RLA on the backburner for another decade.

Let me get this straight: you want ALPA to attempt to change the entire structure that governs labor relations in the transportation industry while the most anti-labor President in American history is in office? Yeah, good idea. I can't imagine how that wouldn't turn out splendidly. :rolleyes:
 
ALPA provided the means to negotiate the concessions.

ALPA also provided the means to negotiate the best pilot contracts in the history of the profession at UAL and DAL before 9/11. ALPA responds to the circumstances and to the demands of the pilots. When concessions were deemed necessary, ALPA did its best to minimize the losses.

Do you even work for an ALPA carrier?

Not anymore. Spent over 4 years doing work at the LEC, MEC, and National level, though. How much have you done?
 
National Level. LOL
Which national position did you hold?

I did organizing work on several campaigns to bring ALPA to non-union companies.

How much have I done? Will I can tell you about 100 times the dues you have paid.

The typical lazy pilot response. "I paid dues, I don't need to do anything else." That is why the profession is in such a shambles. If you want things to get better, then the line pilots are going to have to get involved and informed.
 
ALPA also provided the means to negotiate the best pilot contracts in the history of the profession at UAL and DAL before 9/11. ALPA responds to the circumstances and to the demands of the pilots. When concessions were deemed necessary, ALPA did its best to minimize the losses.

Yes going back to wages from 25 years ago and totally eliminating pensions and quality of life was a major success. Think before you type.
 
Yes going back to wages from 25 years ago and totally eliminating pensions and quality of life was a major success. Think before you type.

You are still ignoring the fact that the rank-and-file voted for those concessions. Captain Woerth didn't hand down a proclamation from a throne in Herndon that imposed those concessions on the pilots. The pilots made a conscious decision to decimate their contracts. Duane just said, "alright, you want it, I'll sign it for you." The pilots want to place blame? Look in the mirror.
 
I did organizing work on several campaigns to bring ALPA to non-union companies.


The typical lazy pilot response. "I paid dues, I don't need to do anything else." That is why the profession is in such a shambles. If you want things to get better, then the line pilots are going to have to get involved and informed.

I never said I was not involved. I am always on top of what is going on in the union. I always voice my opinion to my reps.

I have been asked many times to run for a position, but I have no desire to do so under the current structure.
 
You are still ignoring the fact that the rank-and-file voted for those concessions. Captain Woerth didn't hand down a proclamation from a throne in Herndon that imposed those concessions on the pilots. The pilots made a conscious decision to decimate their contracts. Duane just said, "alright, you want it, I'll sign it for you." The pilots want to place blame? Look in the mirror.

Sorry pal
I never voted for a concession ever.

You better go wipe your nose. It is ALPA brown.

While your at it get a new backpack son.
 

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