What happens to Piedmont if...

[Ill Mitch]

The AWA and USAir merger thingie takes place? Just curious. Thx.

 

[WSurf]

We'll keep right on truckin! Flying our 80's Technology well into the 2000's!!!

 

[CL600Pilot]

Just out of curiosity - do you guys still have N819EX and N820EX or where they returned??



CL

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Those are Allegany bird if the end in EX

Just out of curiosity - do you guys still have N819EX and N820EX or where they returned??



CL

Piedmont birds end in HA for Henson.

 

[CL600Pilot]

That was true until the Piedmont/Allegheny merger. Now 'Piedmont' is flying some 'EX' tails which are old Allegheny aircraft.


CL

 

[LearLove]

Just out of curiosity - do you guys still have N819EX and N820EX or where they returned??



CL

Yes 819 and 820 are gone. They were among the first to leave. Also the 2 irish planes EI-CBJ and EI-CHP went away too.

 

[Whitestoneclimb]

Yes 819 and 820 are gone. They were among the first to leave. Also the 2 irish planes EI-CBJ and EI-CHP went away too.

I flew 811AW out to the desert (MHV) last summer, so all of the former AWA Dash-8s are gone too.

 

[Dash8]

too bad i saw 811AW in harrasmentburgh just last week

 

[olympus593]

Don't worry the training department is killing PDT from the inside...

 

[91100 100 set]

I kinda miss 819 and 820. The way the APU would torch if you tried to start it before the intake door was open all the way. And the extra 5 minutes going through all the write-ups in the logbook. And I miss the comfortable old Boeing seats in the Irish planes. At least I thought they were comfortable, but I have lousy posture.

Quick question. I understand that the ALG and PDT fleets have been pretty much mixed all together now and the old ALG planes have been modified to the PDT "way" (with the stupid non-locking interphone switch, etc). However, there are still ALG crews flying around that have not gone through transition training, correct? In order to identfy these crews, are they the ones that still retract the flaps all the way on the ground, while the PDT people (native or former ALG) put them at 5 on the ground?

 

[LearLove]

According to the ALG/PDT people I still talk too, ALG is done and everyone is either done transition training or just finishing up. The only ones who haven't done the transition are the ones on LOA. Did you get the senority list I sent you a few weeks ago? we'd be sittin' kinda nice.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Did you get the senority list I sent you a few weeks ago? we'd be sittin' kinda nice.

Why's that? I would sure like to see the current list to see where I'd be (and others).

PM me the list please, if you don't mind.

LTG
former MDT slave

 

[91100 100 set]

According to the ALG/PDT people I still talk too, ALG is done and everyone is either done transition training or just finishing up. The only ones who haven't done the transition are the ones on LOA. Did you get the senority list I sent you a few weeks ago? we'd be sittin' kinda nice.

True, I'd be a captain somewhere down south as part of the bone that PDT threw ALG before things were settled, or I'd be a LGA captain. BUT, I'd probably be commuting. Into a reserve line. No thanks!

 

[Dash8]

that 91,100(squared), and a host of other reasons (see olympus593's post) is why i'll tell em to shove their upgrade when it gets to me before too long....

and i'm not the only one that will do that, its happened already too

 

[WSurf]

Bone that PDT threw you? I think the ALG pilots made off really well! How would ALG have handled it if the shoe was on the other foot. Mergers are never good or easy, but I think everyone was happy with the outcome.
Bottom line Dash: If you don't want the upgrade don't take it, others will! And if you don't like PDT, well don't let the door hit you in the a$$ as you leave. If you don't like it here, pack it up and leave... or simply shut it and suck it up.

 

[Dash8]

surf, you need to relax, 91 was just referring to the fact that they let a bunch of alg guys that could hold upgrades do it, prior to the formal transition training starting
and thats what i said, i wouldn't take it, i made no comments other than that and agreeing with olympus take on the training dept
so i don't know why you're going off on your little tantrum

i'm curious why your so quick to stickup for, and subtly profess your love of pdt

as far as the alg pilots making off real well? hows that? in losing their superior contract and rules?? hardly

you're right, mergers are never easy, just ask the oldtimer alg guys, and our union would have gone for straight date of hire, just like the CEL already is setup

 

[WSurf]

First ALG made off well by getting as just a good contract and being employeed with straight date of hire (which was only right). Sorry if I jumped the gun, but many ALG (not all) feel like they got the shaft! And I can't see why! Everyone got date of hire, pay increases for flying the 300's. All our flying has shifted north near where you guys live.
Thanks that the MDA helped smoth it out or it could have be rougher merger.
Your contract wasn't superior (you had good that we didn't have and vica versa). But I will tell you that your management, and sched dept. was way, way, way superior!!!!
I just hate when people complain, we all know the regional airline flying sucks.... Gets hard to listen too... Upgrade, get your time and move on (atleast we are upgrading, if we wouldn't be you'd probably be complaing about that:hehehh JK). Things could be a bit worse you know....

 

[Dash8]

yeah things could be worse, and true, the pdt contract does have a 'few' better clauses
as long as your not junior, or an fo (300 pay shaft for fo's), the contract is very obviously geared to to senior persons that negotiated the various amendments at the detriment of junior pilots...

i wouldn't personally complain about there not being upgrades lol (except for my friends that actually want to upgrade) because i was never concerned with it, even at alg
yeah our sched dept was better, but mgmt was marginally better (not by much)
can't speak to the flying coming up north, but then thats neither our nor your faults, thats crystal city at work
remember this too, the majority of the former alg group has been uprooted, several times for some, with base closures so we may tend to be a tad bitter lol

 

[WSurf]

Yea, I understand about base closers. Jax, and Tampa closing hosed a bunch of our people that were flying down at the Florida Flying Club (what they called it)! They did no hub flying!! All point to point, great schds. and bunch of days off.... Now those boys are got the shaft.
Anyway...... Sorry if a came off as a buttola!!

G-Day

 

[olympus593]

WSurf what are smoking our contract was a lot better!!! Does anybody at PDT get's 180H a month 4 or 5 time a year while flying 80H???

 

[WSurf]

Does anybody get that? Maybe thats why they shut the doors on you guys........

 

[Sig]

Who farted?

 

[Dash8]

Yea, I understand about base closers. Jax, and Tampa closing hosed a bunch of our people that were flying down at the Florida Flying Club (what they called it)! They did no hub flying!! All point to point, great schds. and bunch of days off.... Now those boys are got the shaft.
Anyway...... Sorry if a came off as a buttola!!

G-Day

no sweat bro, things are tough all over
and i'm used to talking to original pdt guys about how in general most of them only know 'the pdt way'
whereas we alg are coming from a different perspective and see how things can be done differently (and in many, but not all cases, better)

 

[Ill Mitch]

Hey Dash 8, where did you get your avatar from?

 

[SRJ]

I would say that PDT is getting ready to be the relief for USAir on the RJ issue again. I would not be suprised if USAir tells PSA that if they need to furlough America West Pilots and PSA does not allow them to be a part of the Jets for Jobs agreement then all the Jets will go to PDT, just like when they wanted slotted bidding for the J4J's at PSA.

 

[FirstMate]

no sweat bro, things are tough all over
and i'm used to talking to original pdt guys about how in general most of them only know 'the pdt way'
whereas we alg are coming from a different perspective and see how things can be done differently (and in many, but not all cases, better)

I can understand the different perspectives coming from the ALG guys, and I respect many opinions and keep an open mind, BUT, naturally these anymosities and differences are going to appear when any merger takes place. I'm absolutely sick of walking into the crew room in LGA and hearing about how ALG "used to do things" and how f'ing terrible things are at PDT. If life is that bad where you have to live in the gd crew room in LGA and B*tch 24/7 then get a new job. Christ, we've practically **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**fted all of our flying to accomidate the Northeast ALG routes not to mention adding the MDT and LGA bases.

 

[Dash8]

Hey Dash 8, where did you get your avatar from?

don't quite remember, i think some noseart site, took me forever to get it rescaled and pull frames and lower the colors so that i could use it as an avatar cause of the file size restrictions

 

[Dash8]

settle down francis

I can understand the different perspectives coming from the ALG guys, and I respect many opinions and keep an open mind, BUT, naturally these anymosities and differences are going to appear when any merger takes place. I'm absolutely sick of walking into the crew room in LGA and hearing about how ALG "used to do things" and how f'ing terrible things are at PDT. If life is that bad where you have to live in the gd crew room in LGA and B*tch 24/7 then get a new job. Christ, we've practically **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**fted all of our flying to accomidate the Northeast ALG routes not to mention adding the MDT and LGA bases.

newbie, you need to chill a little bro, we had nothing to do with where the flying goes, none of 'your' flying came up here to offset 'our' routes, we still have all the same old trips we've always had and 'adding' the bases as you put it was part of the merger, didn't directly affect the group, for someone who's barely been here over 7 months or so, you already sound like a bitter old timer, can't imagine you went thru the honeymoon phase so quickly, then again, i guess i can see how pdt would do that to someone.
fyi, i don't live in the crewroom, i have a pad
but i do my fair share of bltching about what needs to change at pdt, but i'm also getting involved and trying to get things changed, what are you doing?
if we don't address the issues with each other how can things get better?
and if your gonna pull the sick of hearing people complain card,
we're all pretty fed up with hearing pdt crews saying
'oh we have one of those dam alg planes that can't take as much weight'
yeah, a whopping 100 lbs difference, that's more than made up for by the larger overheads that the alg 100's have compared to those ancient 100's
so we can bring more carryon's inside, not to mention the better a/c systems, particularly now that summer is rolling around, but then we seem to only get those caveman dash's in the north now not our good 'ol planes
so remember it goes two ways there

my point was (as i had stated earlier) that knowing only the pdt way of flying a dash, you (not you specifically but as a group) can't see how things can be improved as frequently/widely as we can, and many of us may bltch but there are also many of us are also trying to help get things improved.

btw, to you and all pdt pilots, make sure you fill out the negotiations survey linked on the main pdt alpa page, it is important for getting the information the union needs for the talks next month with the company
want things to get better? improve our qol?
the survey is your opportunity to voice your opinions on issues for negotiation
get involved!

 

[OPECJet]

Guys, show me one pilot on PDT property who doesn't complain about something. I would say at least half of the pilots who have been here longer than 2 years have gotten bent over with a base closure, or something along those lines. Then there's that fiasco that's ongoing in LGA with not getting bids out on time, etc.

Last, but not least, the fact that neither the company or the union has seen fit to keep the pilots / employees informed as to what's going on, and what possible direction things are going. Maybe things couldn't be discussed before the merger was announced, but now that it has been, get off your a$$ and talk to us....

 

[WSurf]

CEO Parker has said

"He claimed that the DH8 flying in the East is extremely profitable, very low cost and will most definitley be kept. He was quick to point out that we either own the a/c outright or have them on very low cost short term leases so they could be cancelled at a moments notice."


Funny, first it will be kept........... then that they could cancel at a moments notice...
This is the story of our life!!