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I know my instructor informed me of exactly what we would be flying, but being somewhat overwhelmed by the sudden onrush of new information, not to mention excitement, I don't think I remember. In my logbook, my instructor wrote "PA-28-140". I'm assuming the "P" stands for Piper, but I would be interested in what the other letter and numbers represent. A little information on this aircraft would also be appreciated.

Thank you
 
PA (Piper Aircraft) 28 stands for either an archer or a cherokee, and the 140 is the horsepower of the engine.
 
Pretty simple

Piper Aircraft = PA
28 = Cherokee series
140 = Horsepower.
 
The PA stands for Piper (Piper Aircraft)

The "28" represents the Cherokee family of aircraft

The "140" is the horsepower rating of the aircraft

If there was an "R" in there after the 28, that would mean that the gear goes up and down, and a "T" would represent a turbocharger.
Each company has their own system for designating their aircraft models, and they're all different. If I remember right, here are the variants in the Cherokee family:

PA-28-140 Cherokee
PA-28-140B Cherokee Cruiser
PA-28-151 Warrior
PA-28-161 Cadet
PA-28-180 Cherokee 180
PA-28-181 Archer
PA-28R-180 Arrow
PA-28R-200 Arrow II
PA-28R-201 Arrow III
PA-28R-201T Turbo Arrow
PA-28-235 Cherokee 235
PA-28-236 Dakota
PA-28-236T Turbo Dakota
 
Thanks everyone for the information. I now know that Cessna 172R means that the plane has retractable landing gear.
 
UnAnswerd said:
Thanks everyone for the information. I now know that Cessna 172R means that the plane has retractable landing gear.
That would be the 172RG.
And be careful, the R172 I think means the Reims model, made in France.
 
And then there's the R172K
 
UnAnswerd said:
Thanks everyone for the information. I now know that Cessna 172R means that the plane has retractable landing gear.
You almost got it! LOL Actually the C-172R is just a late model ('97 & newer) fixed gear 172. Can't really compare the Piper labels with Cessnas... the first 172 with letter suffix was the A model, built around '56-'57... and they just continued the letters every few years with each "new and improved!" 172. Here we are almost 50 years after the first 172 flew and we're up to the R models. If you look close at a new '04 Skyhawk it looks pretty much identical to a '74 M model. Landing lights and door handles is all that's changed really, not much new to see 30 years later. Oh, and it's fuel injected, oh boy!

The R172K... wait, wait, I know this one!! That's the 195hp Hawk XP right? I'm pretty sure it is anyway...
 
jbDC9 said:
The R172K... wait, wait, I know this one!! That's the 195hp Hawk XP right? I'm pretty sure it is anyway...
Good call! Actually, 210 hp, but most were derated to 195 hp.
 
T-41 B

jbDC9 said:
The R172K... wait, wait, I know this one!! That's the 195hp Hawk XP right? I'm pretty sure it is anyway...
Actually, it may be a version of the T-41 that the Army and AF flew. The AF used T-41s at the Academy and at Hondo, Texas to screen zoomies for flight training. I think the Army used them for fixed-wing training and miscellaneous purposes. Civil Air Patrol received a number of T-41s with 180-hp Lycomings after the Army was through with them.

The "R" stands for Reims Aviation of France, which manufactured Cessna products under license and may have created a few variants of its own.

This website has a nice listing of T-41s. This site has a picture of a really sweet T-41.
 
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And there's another variation like the TR82 for the Turbo 182RG. I don't think it's strictly ICAO compliant, but when I was flying one FSS let me file as that because that's what the front of the book said - TR182.
 
Also the last "1" in PA-28-161 means it has the tapered wing verses the older straight "hershey bar" wing. So the difference between a PA-28-160 and a PA-28-161 is the wing. Same for a PA-28R-201 verses a PA-28R-200 both Arrows with retractable gear. There is an Arrow, the Turbo Arrow IV, a PA-28RT-201T which is a Cherokee series (PA-28), has retractable gear and a "T" tail (RT), and has a 200 horsepower turbocharged engine with a tapered wing (201T). Hope some of this helps.

For PA-28 Click here : http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=304

For PA-28R Click here: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=305
 
Hey Bobbysamd, I used to own an R172K, and I never heard of the T-41 comparison. Are you sure that's the same thing?


This had a Continental IO-360 with a constant speed prop. 210hp. Is this the same?

I don't know of any Hawk XPs with Lycoming 180hp engines.
 
T-41B v. R172K

English said:
Hey Bobbysamd, I used to own an R172K, and I never heard of the T-41 comparison. Are you sure that's the same thing?


This had a Continental IO-360 with a constant speed prop. 210hp. Is this the same?
T-41Bs had the Continental engine and prop. We had a T-41B in Oklahoma Wing CAP refitted with a Lycoming O-360 with constant-speed prop. I am sure the original engine was the Continental. So, yes, I'm sure it's the same thing.
 
The civilian designation for the 172 with the Lycoming 180hp was Cutlass II I believe. (As opposed to the retract 172 Cutlass RG) The FG Cutlass had a FP prop.

They only built them for a few years in the 80s
 
mar said:
Piper Aircraft = PA
28 = Cherokee series
140 = Horsepower.
Actually I think it is 150 hp.
 
Most everyone got it pretty close.

Any of the Cherokee series is a -28. R = retractable and T=turbo. As far as names, EagleRJ got it right. The thing to remember is that when you see a 0 or a 5 in the last number, it means it is the original constant chord "Hershey Bar" wing.

The models with a 1 or a 6 indicates the tapered wing named Cherokees such as Warriors, Archers, Dakotas and so on. Basically its the HP + 1 to indicate the taper wing. Most of the original models were simply known as a Cherokee, plus whatever HP they had.

The school I taught at had both the Arrow 2 (straight wing) and the 3 (same, but tapered wing). Glide characteristics couldn't have been more different. The Arrow 2 came down liked a chrome plated manhole cover, whereas the 3 was a bit better.

Some Piper models had designations using the same name. Comanches were PA-30s, while later versions with counter rotating props were the PA-39s.

As far as I can tell, Cessna used a straight numbering system, with A,B,C and so on to designate subsiquent models of the same type. The names "Skyhawk", "Skylane" and so on usually were to designate trim levels (avionics, interior, etc).

I understand that the fixed gear version of the 180 hp 172 (the "Q", NOT the current model, but the non-RG Cutlass) was built specifically for ERAU Prescott, which is why there are so few (only 389 built in 1983-84).

The Hawk XP (R172K) was 195hp, and had a weird de-rated IO-360K. It was built from 77 to 81, and personally, I thought it inferior in almost every way the the plane it replaced, the C-177 Cardinal .

The T-41As were built on the same line as 172 F/G/H/Ks from '65 to '68, and originally had Continental O-300s at 145hp, and went to the Air Force. The -41B were Army birds (1967), and had Continental IO-360s (fuel injected) at 210hp and had 28v electrical systems. The -41Cs were USAF birds, and were essentially the same as the -41B, except with the stock 14v electrical system.

The -41D, built from '68-'75 were simlar to 172s of the time with a number of improvements, such as reinforcment, abrasion boots, provision for wing pylons.

In France, Reims Aviation, who had license to produce Cessna designs had a 210hp 172 called the FR172 E/F/J/H/J "Reims Rocket" from -68 to -76.

There were also some higher HP Cessnas built that you just don't see much of, like the C-175 (the high trim model was the "Skylark"), which had a wierd GO-300 175hp geared Continental

I don't know if you younger guys dig this kind of history, but Cessna used to CRANK out the airplanes, especially from 1975-1979, with almost 17,000 being built in 1978 alone across the industry.

If you guys want a real challenge, go decepher the numbering system for Citabrias and Decathalons.

And for you Trivia buffs, who can name the helicopter that Cessna built?

Nu
 

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