What does SKYW management think of Delta's future?

[FishandFly]

So Delta closes it's doors.. Is our management at SKYW viewing this as a short-term problem, long-term problem, or an opportunity?

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Opportunity.

I heard that SKYW would own the Delta gates in ATL in event of Delta liquidation.

If true, that affirms that there are some smart, forward-thinking people at SKYW, just like at ASA!

Copy-Dat!

 

["GO AROUND"]

SKW doesn't own Delta gates in ATL, they own like 30 gates on the C and D concourses.

Jerry A seemed to think that other carriers would jump into ATL to get the flying and we would be aligning ourselves with them. UAL and CAL would be an easy transition for SKW.

I don't see this scenario happening though. Not unless DAL managment is as stupid as their spokeswoman was last night. She said that a strike would no way impact the daily flying operations at DAL. I had to tivo it back and listen to it again to be sure that was what she said and she did! If that's the case we are all in trouble!

Moderator reviewed. PM sent.

 

[General Lee]

Opportunity.

I heard that SKYW would own the Delta gates in ATL in event of Delta liquidation.

If true, that affirms that there are some smart, forward-thinking people at SKYW, just like at ASA!

Copy-Dat!

You are smoking Ganja. We cover all of the reservations, all of the ground equipment (which would be confiscated by creditors) at our DL stations that you use, and feed your flights. Wow, you sure could get a lot of internal feed between Lynchburg and Monroe. And Golden Triangle to Fayettvile will be packed. In reality, most of those towns may lose flights all together, or just turn to USAir to cover their needs. ASA would go away, and the SLC ops of SkyWest would dwindle to nothing. Montana would turn to Horizon and the United side thru DEN, eliminating SLC as a hub. Southwest would step it up a bit in SLC, adding flights to major cities---and SkyWest would not compete. The SLC DL ops has too many 50 seaters and E120s, and they would all be parked. Indy Air proved they could not be used against LCCs. The other legacies don't have the extra money needed to quickly set up a hub in SLC or ATL, and if they could it would take months. Do you think the Chap 7 process would take awhile? Absolutely. Nothing would move until the creditors finished fighting over what they thought was theirs. Lawyers would be fighting to get every piece they could, so they could sell it and try to salvage some of their losses. Years...... Sorry.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

SKW doesn't own Delta gates in ATL, they own like 30 gates on the C and D concourses.

Jerry A seemed to think that other carriers would jump into ATL to get the flying and we would be aligning ourselves with them. UAL and CAL would be an easy transition for SKW.

I don't see this scenario happening though. Not unless DAL managment is as stupid as their spokeswoman was last night. She said that a strike would no way impact the daily flying operations at DAL. I had to tivo it back and listen to it again to be sure that was what she said and she did! If that's the case we are all in trouble!

She said that? Well, 95% of the DL pilots would stop flying, and ASA, Comair, and Freedom would not fly struck work. Sounds like flying would stop quickly at the hubs.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[everyonedoa360]

Apparently if DL and Gee Lee leave us, we will all fail. Oh, except Horizon and USAir! What a joke and a hypocrite. Some how Horizon will be able to pick up all the West Coast flying overnight, but there will not be time for Skywest to save SLC! Your as A$$, 100%! And I’m looking forward to the 17th!

Skywest is about the only airline that is a position to stay the game! You and YOUR management have lead YOU and your PILOTS into this position, If you can see future so very well, quit your crappy job and go straight to LAS (On a Airtran flight) and bet on your great wisdom. After all, DL would never let Skywest fly UAL flights out of SLC, Right Mr. Lee?!

 

[General Lee]

Apparently if DL and Gee Lee leave us, we will all fail. Oh, except Horizon and USAir! What a joke and a hypocrite. Some how Horizon will be able to pick up all the West Coast flying overnight, but there will not be time for Skywest to save SLC! Your as A$$, 100%! And I’m looking forward to the 17th!

Skywest is about the only airline that is a position to stay the game! You and YOUR management have lead YOU and your PILOTS into this position, If you can see future so very well, quit your crappy job and go straight to LAS (On a Airtran flight) and bet on your great wisdom. After all, DL would never let Skywest fly UAL flights out of SLC, Right Mr. Lee?!

That's NOT what I said. Re-read my post. I said the SLC hub would shut down on the DL side, and all DL RJs and E120 would be parked. Horizon would pick up the slack in Montana and Idaho (they already fly to PIH, TWF, and SUN), and USAir would pick up the slack in the SE---from their Charlotte hub (the ATL flying) All flights from SLC that flew for DL would go away. You know I am right too. SLC would be invaded by Southwest mainly, increasing their flights to BOI, SEA, PDX, PHX, ABQ, LAS, LAX, OAK, and points East. JA and Ronny Reber would be left krapping their pants. Sad but true.

And, it will be getting good on the 17th, or 15th, or whenever. Should be fun. Our loss would equal a large loss for you too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bluto]

I feel sad for the General. It seems he not only forsees his own company's downfall, but in order to feel better he has to forecast failure for everone else as well. General, give it a rest. Let's wait until this is sorted out and we find out for sure who's going to fail and what the results will be. It's kind of sad that you have to belittle the regionals by naming some of the tiny airports we serve. General, you do know that SkyWest serves LAX, DEN, SFO, SEA, MSP, ABQ, PHX, etc. while ASA serves similar cities in the East, right?

I for one sincerely hope DAL doesn't fail. Not only that, I'd prefer mainline serve those airports I listed, but putting down the regionals by acting like you're a big-shot for flying the MD, makes you look like a tool.

 

[General Lee]

I feel sad for the General. It seems he not only forsees his own company's downfall, but in order to feel better he has to forecast failure for everone else as well. General, give it a rest. Let's wait until this is sorted out and we find out for sure who's going to fail and what the results will be. It's kind of sad that you have to belittle the regionals by naming some of the tiny airports we serve. General, you do know that SkyWest serves LAX, DEN, SFO, SEA, MSP, ABQ, PHX, etc. while ASA serves similar cities in the East, right?

I for one sincerely hope DAL doesn't fail. Not only that, I'd prefer mainline serve those airports I listed, but putting down the regionals by acting like you're a big-shot for flying the MD, makes you look like a tool.

You don't think DL would cause the downfall of ASA, Comair, half of SkyWest, part of CHQ, and part of Mesa (freedom)? You are living in the clouds. ASA and Comair live exclusively off of DL, so they would also go away. SkyWest relies heavily on DL out of SLC, and that operation would likely shut down, leaving many 50 seat RJs and E120s that may not get another home. JA might try to shop them around, but other operators like Expressjet have planes available (69 ERJs for Expressjet) and they want new business too. Their would be a huge glut of 50 seaters, and many would be parked. You may like to think you are "the only business in town"---but you are NOT. Places like SLC aren't good hubs anyway, and don't have the O&D traffic to support a local airline like SkyWest. Southwest would fill in nicely, and compete vigoursly against you to those same cities you listed----and pound you like Indy Air was pounded. I hope it doesn't happen.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FishandFly]

You don't think DL would cause the downfall of ASA, Comair, half of SkyWest, part of CHQ, and part of Mesa (freedom)? You are living in the clouds. ASA and Comair live exclusively off of DL, so they would also go away. SkyWest relies heavily on DL out of SLC, and that operation would likely shut down, leaving many 50 seat RJs and E120s that may not get another home. JA might try to shop them around, but other operators like Expressjet have planes available (69 ERJs for Expressjet) and they want new business too. Their would be a huge glut of 50 seaters, and many would be parked. You may like to think you are "the only business in town"---but you are NOT. Places like SLC aren't good hubs anyway, and don't have the O&D traffic to support a local airline like SkyWest. Southwest would fill in nicely, and compete vigoursly against you to those same cities you listed----and pound you like Indy Air was pounded. I hope it doesn't happen.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I think we would all see a bump in the short term. But what you are suggesting is an opinion that is not held by a good number of smart folks.

I hate to sound blindly optimistic, but I place a great deal of trust in the business decisions of JA. He nailed delta on the ASA deal.

Skywest stock has not been significantly effected by your vote to head towards a strike. JA is probably on a ski trip somewhere with all of our potential future partner airline execs.



General. The reason everyone likes your new avatar so much is that it indents your posts completely out of view.. This board is now nearly BS free. Thanks!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

As expected most of the responses are from the same tired tool. Glad the ignore feature just lets me know they're there without me having to read them. There is a "view post" button if I want to remind myself why GL is the solitary person on my ignore list. I hear some of the DAL pilots ignore him too so I'm in good company.

There are a select group of people who know the answer to the original question and they aren't going to post on this board. Noone can accurately predict the effects of a strike. I don't think any major carrier will go on strike because we have a president that would convene a PEB and compel everyone to go back to work.

The one scenario that doesn't get brought up too often is another carrier that is dissatisfied with their feed arrangements dumping their current provider in favor of a better provider who suddenly has excess capacity due to a work stoppage or liquidation. It could be Mesa or another poorly performing feeder suffering the most.

 

[General Lee]

As expected most of the responses are from the same tired tool. Glad the ignore feature just lets me know they're there without me having to read them. There is a "view post" button if I want to remind myself why GL is the solitary person on my ignore list. I hear some of the DAL pilots ignore him too so I'm in good company.

There are a select group of people who know the answer to the original question and they aren't going to post on this board. Noone can accurately predict the effects of a strike. I don't think any major carrier will go on strike because we have a president that would convene a PEB and compel everyone to go back to work.

The one scenario that doesn't get brought up too often is another carrier that is dissatisfied with their feed arrangements dumping their current provider in favor of a better provider who suddenly has excess capacity due to a work stoppage or liquidation. It could be Mesa or another poorly performing feeder suffering the most.

Dave is a wheenie because he won't debate. He knows he will lose. He can't back up anything.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[QCappy]

Horizon would pick up the slack in Montana and Idaho (they already fly to PIH, TWF, and SUN)

Actually Horizon only flies to SUN of those you mentioned. We pulled out of PIH this year and only fly to TWF on SUN diversions for weather. We also fly to IDA over there.

 

[General Lee]

Dave, No need to hit the view post button. It's all the same old sh!t. It's funny when I'm in the ATL, I hear the same thing from his fellow cockpit mates. They says he's the same tiredsome tool over there as he is here. He does n't just do it here to poke fun of you "commuter" pilots.

Well Butter my muffin...... I am glad you know who I fly with...??? You do? Allllllllrrriiiiiiight.? And, I used to be one of those "commuter" pilots---so I have never made fun of them. You contribute absolutely NOTHING.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Actually Horizon only flies to SUN of those you mentioned. We pulled out of PIH this year and only fly to TWF on SUN diversions for weather. We also fly to IDA over there.

You probably would return though if SkyWest's SLC hub went bye bye, right? Riiight.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

Dave, No need to hit the view post button. It's all the same old sh!t. It's funny when I'm in the ATL, I hear the same thing from his fellow cockpit mates. They says he's the same tiredsome tool over there as he is here. He does n't just do it here to poke fun of you "commuter" pilots.

I KNEW IT!!!!! I had to believe that would be true. I have a mental picture of this guy, and I bet I'm not far off. I bet his FO's (IF he ever takes upgrade) are going to love being stuck with him!

GL, you are the world biggest phillips head screw driver!

 

[General Lee]

I KNEW IT!!!!! I had to believe that would be true. I have a mental picture of this guy, and I bet I'm not far off. I bet his FO's (IF he ever takes upgrade) are going to love being stuck with him!

GL, you are the world biggest phillips head screw driver!

No, I look like Lerch--I am 6'5", and I weigh a buck 90. And, when I do upgrade (although I am considering seeing a bit of Europe first, and then go to MD88 Capt--still thinking it over---that is if we don't liquidate), I will buy the third and fifth beers for any FO I fly with. I bet that makes you want to send in a resume right now, eh 79%N1?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

No, I look like Lerch--I am 6'5", and I weigh a buck 90. And, when I do upgrade (although I am considering seeing a bit of Europe first, and then go to MD88 Capt--still thinking it over---that is if we don't liquidate), I will buy the third and fifth beers for any FO I fly with. I bet that makes you want to send in a resume right now, eh 79%N1?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well, last time I checked, Delta wasnt accepting resumes or hiring any pilots at this time. Please keep me informed if that ever (and I mean ever) changes. In the mean time, I'll be checking out any info I can on those 90 seaters I'm about to be flying.

BTW, if that means your FO has to buy the first, second and fourth beers, I'll bet they will be thrilled to fly with you. (And to listen to all your anti-RJ/regional rhetoric for 4 days!!!!)

 

[General Lee]

Well, last time I checked, Delta wasnt accepting resumes or hiring any pilots at this time. Please keep me informed if that ever (and I mean ever) changes. In the mean time, I'll be checking out any info I can on those 90 seaters I'm about to be flying.

BTW, if that means your FO has to buy the first, second and fourth beers, I'll bet they will be thrilled to fly with you. (And to listen to all your anti-RJ/regional rhetoric for 4 days!!!!)

You may be flying those 90 seaters, but for United. Enjoy ORD and IAD. And, I don't spew anit-RJ rhetoric, as I have stated numerous times that I think RJs are good for routes without LCC competition. And yes, my FO has to buy the 1st, 2nd, and 4th beers---but I will buy the snacks and maybe an appetizer.....maybe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FishandFly]

You may be flying those 90 seaters, but for United. Enjoy ORD and IAD. And, I don't spew anit-RJ rhetoric, as I have stated numerous times that I think RJs are good for routes without LCC competition. And yes, my FO has to buy the 1st, 2nd, and 4th beers---but I will buy the snacks and maybe an appetizer.....maybe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Why am I willing to bet that you buy your captain beers as well in hopes of him continuing to listen..

You're un-cool, you talk too much, and your views & opinions are crap.

 

[General Lee]

Why am I willing to bet that you buy your captain beers as well in hopes of him continuing to listen..

You're un-cool, you talk too much, and your views & opinions are crap.

Yeah, ok, NERD. You contribute NOTHING. It just shows your lack of debating skills. Too bad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jws717]

I am proud to announce that the general has just contributed another stool sample to the industry. We apreciate that he contibutes so much of himself. If you want to be like the general and contribute i recomend the Krystal burger at the end of terminal B, or is it A i forget since i dont need to visit that nasty ATL anymore.

 

[FishandFly]

Yeah, ok, NERD. You contribute NOTHING. It just shows your lack of debating skills. Too bad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Normal conversations that are 22 comments long don't have 10 comments from one individual who only mentioned the original topic once.

I would much rather contribute "nothing" out of a 22 comment conversation than 10 small piles of crap.

 

[homerjdispatch]

.......

 

[homerjdispatch]

pot and kettle

Well Butter my muffin...... I am glad you know who I fly with...??? You do? Allllllllrrriiiiiiight.? And, I used to be one of those "commuter" pilots---so I have never made fun of them. You contribute absolutely NOTHING.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Isnt there an old saying about a pot and kettle? .................

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Yeah, ok, NERD. You contribute NOTHING. It just shows your lack of debating skills. Too bad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Anyone else see the irony in this statement?

 

[ExFokkerFlyer]

Just put Genital Lesion on your ignore list... makes this forum much more tolerable.

 

[Full of LUV]

Wtf????

Just put Genital Lesion on your ignore list... makes this forum much more tolerable.

I realize I'm just as guilty for reading this, but it sounds like my sons kindegarten class here. Due to some kind of pent up spite, you have regional/commuter/rj (or whatever the politically correct term is now) pilots hoping for the demise of its largest customer. I mean skywest flys airplanes for DELTA. (and UAL), not for skywest. Go to their website and try and buy a ticket if you don't believe me. From an uneffected observer, I have to believe a DAL shutdown would have a pretty severe effect on Skywest, both in the near term and in the future. First of all, if a Major does finish off, it's not like an unattached company will hatch from it's crypt, most likely, all other existing airlines will add capacity to cover as much of the missing pax as possible. Skywest will stay busy with UAL, but CAL, AMR, SW, JB, etc will all use their own methods of increasing demand, and I doubt it would quickly suck up all of the available lift from Skywest, there would have to be furloughs and pay cuts to win over new flying from Mesa and CHQ. I don't see it as a win for anyone except maybe some of the existing majors who have already eaten their paycuts.
Enjoy!

 

[Mercyful Fate]

I for one dont see why there is so much talk about a Delta "strike". It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that there wont be a strike, a deal will be made, and life will go on. All that is happening now is you have two sides trying to argue who has the largest $*#@. (insert your favorite body part).

 

[Bluto]

Dave is a wheenie because he won't debate. He knows he will lose. He can't back up anything.

For all your debating skills , you have failed to come up with a single accurate prediction (I've stopped keeping track of the number inaccurate ones) about SkyWest's future. In fact, most of your DL predictions have fallen miserably short as well. If I were you, I'd keep your day job, fortune-telling definitely isn't your thing.