What a Great Job. NOT!!!

[rice]

Wow, another great opportunity. When will these type of Jackoff CP's see what they're doing to the industry by posting jobs like this. Lets see, looking for someone with "minimal jet expeience", offering an absolutely rediculous low salary and it will be even less depending on "experience and need for training". Excuse me but wouldn't the candidate obviously need that training if they had minimal experience???? And whats with the statement to include "Date of last Falcon 50 PC if applicable"? I thought he was looking for someone with minimal experience. I'm not even going to get into having to travel to Texas at your own expense for the interview. Probably want you to sign a contract as well.

Now for all you wannabees out there. If any of you apply for and accept this job and then come back to this board bitchin about how crappy the pay/QOL is I will have zero sympathy for you.

Confidential
Texas

Position: Falcon 50 SIC ( Part 135 )

This position is open until 05-03-04

Qualifications:
Entry-Level Falcon 50 candidate with minimal jet experience. Will train the right candidate.

Misc:
Falcon 50 entry level SIC. Salary $30-$40K depending on experience and need for training. Include Total Time, Multi-Engine Time, Jet/Turbine Time (PIC & SIC). Date of last Falcon 50 PC if applicable. Must be willing to travel to Texas at own expense for interview. Applicants not local to our operations must be ready to relocate.


Please mention in your cover letter that you got this information from CorporatePilot.COM
Thank You in advance.



E-mail to Chief Pilot at [email protected]

 

[750driver]

Qualifications:
Entry-Level Falcon 50 candidate with minimal jet experience. Will train the right candidate.

Misc:
Falcon 50 entry level SIC. Salary $30-$40K depending on experience and need for training. Include Total Time, Multi-Engine Time, Jet/Turbine Time (PIC & SIC). Date of last Falcon 50 PC if applicable. Must be willing to travel to Texas at own expense for interview. Applicants not local to our operations must be ready to relocate.

A pathetic state of affairs, no doubt .... This Chief Pilot will get what he pays for

 

[Jump Pilot]

Salary $30-$40K depending on experience

My last two job offers were for $23,000 and $25,000. Both were flying Lear 35s and 55's.

I politely declined.

 

[rchcfi]

A sad state indeed. I still haven't figured out why certain pilots will fly for a wage worthy of barely the minimum a churro sugarer makes.

I think it has something to do with stature or ego. Some lower time pilots want to fly the "Cool Jets" and are willing to accept the $1.20 per hour wage for that title.

As for me (another low time pilot), I am happy flying my C206 for $54K a year, because I love flying. Yet the regionals are paying their new hires 18K a year. Highway robbery if you ask me. But there inlies the problem. Little kids want to say they fly jets, and are happy making minimum wage.

Just my $00.02.

 

[porra]

I guess as long as you have looowwww time pilots that are willing to sell themselfs short to places like GIA and TAB, we'll always have this kind of respect for the job we do.

 

[wannab0133]

?

why are you guys worried about this job? Sounds like you ought to be bitchin about the regionals starting out at 15k-18k. hell, this job pays twice as much at a regional. the problem lies in the regionals paying peanuts, thats the only way this guy could get away with this.

 

[Jump Pilot]

When I delined the job paying $23,000 do you think they had trouble filling it? Naw, it probably looked pretty good to a CFI who was making $16K. I know another person (500 hours) that just took a job on a Citation for $18K and is happier than a hog in pooh.

This is increasingly a young man's game with wages like these. Companies don't realize that you get what you pay for (poor employee morale, turnover, poor service) with low wages. In an increasingly competitive customer market, that is not exactly a good thing.

 

[pilotyip]

Hey TJ time

Hey its TJ time, need that stuff to go along with the college degree to become an major airline candidate.

 

[AA717driver]

I just kind of look at it as a mutually "beneficial" situation.

Some schumck is paying me squat to fill a seat and fly sometimes. I'm building time in a jet and sending out resumes daily.

So, when the schmuck whines about me having no loyalty, leaving after 6 months--THEN you can remind him that "you get what you pay for." TC

 

[chawbein]

Wow, another great opportunity. When will these type of Jackoff CP's see what they're doing to the industry by posting jobs like this. Lets see, looking for someone with "minimal jet expeience", offering an absolutely rediculous low salary and it will be even less depending on "experience and need for training". Excuse me but wouldn't the candidate obviously need that training if they had minimal experience???? And whats with the statement to include "Date of last Falcon 50 PC if applicable"? I thought he was looking for someone with minimal experience. I'm not even going to get into having to travel to Texas at your own expense for the interview. Probably want you to sign a contract as well.

Now for all you wannabees out there. If any of you apply for and accept this job and then come back to this board bitchin about how crappy the pay/QOL is I will have zero sympathy for you.

Confidential
Texas

Position: Falcon 50 SIC ( Part 135 )

This position is open until 05-03-04

Qualifications:
Entry-Level Falcon 50 candidate with minimal jet experience. Will train the right candidate.

Misc:
Falcon 50 entry level SIC. Salary $30-$40K depending on experience and need for training. Include Total Time, Multi-Engine Time, Jet/Turbine Time (PIC & SIC). Date of last Falcon 50 PC if applicable. Must be willing to travel to Texas at own expense for interview. Applicants not local to our operations must be ready to relocate.


Please mention in your cover letter that you got this information from CorporatePilot.COM
Thank You in advance.



E-mail to Chief Pilot at [email protected]

I don't know what a Falcon 50 is, but let me just say the 30k-40k is a pretty decent salary for an entry-level job in most industries. I'm prepared for the flames, but I just don't get it.

 

[Timebuilder]

Re: Re: What a Great Job. NOT!!!

I don't know what a Falcon 50 is, but let me just say the 30k-40k is a pretty decent salary for an entry-level job in most industries. I'm prepared for the flames, but I just don't get it.

Falcon 50 entry level SIC. Salary $30-$40K depending on experience and need for training. Include Total Time, Multi-Engine Time, Jet/Turbine Time (PIC & SIC). Date of last Falcon 50 PC if applicable. Must be willing to travel to Texas at own expense for interview. Applicants not local to our operations must be ready to relocate.

Look above, They are asking for an applicant with "Jet/Turbine Time" and a date of a last proficiency check. That's not really "entry level." They no doubt want that experience for their insurance company standards. Travel to Texas just to have the interview, and I'm sure no relocation expenses.

My last two job offers were for $23,000 and $25,000. Both were flying Lear 35s and 55's.

Same here. No deal. Let someone else be abused.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Highway robbery if you ask me. But there inlies the problem. Little kids want to say they fly jets, and are happy making minimum wage.

Well, if you had a grasp of English, you'd know therein lay your problem... Keep flying your c206, and leave the jet flying to the kids...

 

[Gumby]

Wow, another great opportunity. When will these type of Jackoff CP's see what they're doing to the industry by posting jobs like this. Lets see, looking for someone with "minimal jet expeience", offering an absolutely rediculous low salary and it will be even less depending on "experience and need for training". Excuse me but wouldn't the candidate obviously need that training if they had minimal experience???? And whats with the statement to include "Date of last Falcon 50 PC if applicable"? I thought he was looking for someone with minimal experience. I'm not even going to get into having to travel to Texas at your own expense for the interview. Probably want you to sign a contract as well.

Now for all you wannabees out there. If any of you apply for and accept this job and then come back to this board bitchin about how crappy the pay/QOL is I will have zero sympathy for you.

Confidential
Texas

Position: Falcon 50 SIC ( Part 135 )

This position is open until 05-03-04

Qualifications:
Entry-Level Falcon 50 candidate with minimal jet experience. Will train the right candidate.

Misc:
Falcon 50 entry level SIC. Salary $30-$40K depending on experience and need for training. Include Total Time, Multi-Engine Time, Jet/Turbine Time (PIC & SIC). Date of last Falcon 50 PC if applicable. Must be willing to travel to Texas at own expense for interview. Applicants not local to our operations must be ready to relocate.


Please mention in your cover letter that you got this information from CorporatePilot.COM
Thank You in advance.



E-mail to Chief Pilot at [email protected]

Hey RICE MAN!!! Nice to see you made it through the 61.58 ride!! I guess my bribery worked!

 

[G100driver]

Well, if you had a grasp of English, you'd know therein lay your problem... Keep flying your c206, and leave the jet flying to the kids...

Is that all you got!! You had better get one of those swedish enlargers to help you out with your problems.

Bad spelling and grammer aside, rchcfi made a great point. Any kid can fly a regional jet for free. It takes a mature adult to know when to say "no" being treated like a whore.

 

[pilot_guy]

Can I get a Hell Yeah!!!

Man, I'm all about this. I recently left a job dropping meat, cause the a$$f*cker wouldn't pay me what he owed me. Don't whore yourself out. Have some respect for yourself and all of your hardwork and determination.

I will admit this is a young man's game, with regard to timebuilding jobs (dragging rags, meatbombing, and traffic watch). To get those jobs, you gotta be willing to move if there's no work in your area, and live real cheap. For jobs like meatbombing, traffic watch, and dragging rags, you shouldn't expect to make any money. I was supposed to be making like 400 a week dropping meat (base plus money per load) which wasn't bad considering the details of the job: vfr only, **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty old 182, and dealing with people who don't really have a clue about flying in the first place so I could do what I wanted. Now with that in mind, you can't expect to make any real money, that is timebuilding. Remember it's not that demanding either.

Let's look at the flipside. Flying a jet in my opinion is a real job, and more than I choose to endevour. These guys should be paid accordingly. If more people would pi$$ on the CP's desk when he propositions you to whore out to get the job, this wouldn't be so bad. Unfortunately, these young guys who have put in the time haven't gotten out of the CFI, or Timebuilding job mindset and realize this is a man's job, not a boy's.

Get some sack, tell the corporate fat cats to f*ck off, and do what you gotta do till you get what you want. You've worked too hard to pi$$ it away to tell some b*tch in a bar you fly a Lear. You don't have to brag if you have a big c*ck, but then again, I just fly singles

So, with all this in mind, can I get a Hell Yeah?!

 

[cherokee]

Dropping Meat!! Is that what they call it these days? I love it.

 

[flyer172r]

So, with all this in mind, can I get a Hell Yeah?!

Hell yeah!

Actually, I think the people who mentioned that pilots will take 23k a year to fly a jet because it's an upgrade from CFI pay have hinted at the root of the problem. For a job that has as much responsibility and liability involved as teaching someone else how to fly, CFIs are the ones getting screwed. If they started demanding livable wages, I think that could start a chain reaction up the ladder and we wouldn't have to "whore ourselves" to corporate operators just to not need food stamps.

 

[murfdawg998]

"Well, if you had a grasp of English, you'd know therein lay your problem... Keep flying your c206, and leave the jet flying to the kids..."


Speaking of having a firm grasp of English, I believe it's "therein lies your problem." How can you guys cry about grammar and then not proofread your own replies?! By the way, the C206 is a great airplane.

 

[pilotyip]

Livable wage?

If CFI's started demanding a livable wages, whatever that is, there would be fewer students, and thus fewer CFI jobs. It is the old supply and demand thing that keps getting in the way. Remeber if you fly because you like to, you will not be disappointed with a flying career, but if you are in it for the money, you may be disappointed

 

[wingnutt]

...Remeber if you fly because you like to, you will not be disappointed with a flying career, but if you are in it for the money, you may be disappointed

hey...if you make that your sig, you wont have to type it all out every time you post