West Coast turns to Hawaii under new rules

[piepieandbuddy]

Does anyone know if under the new rest rules if a 2 person crew can do a roundtrip from LAX-HNL??? Flight time is about 10.5 hours. Thanks

 

[Raoul Duke]

I belive so

 

[NuGuy]

Does anyone know if under the new rest rules if a 2 person crew can do a roundtrip from LAX-HNL??? Flight time is about 10.5 hours. Thanks

No. Max flight time is 10.

Nu

 

[johnsonrod]

I think there is a time component to all of this too. You can't do 10 hour turns unless you leave at a certain time in the morning. People are freaking out about 2 man crews flying 10 hours to Europe from the East Coast too, but the later in the day it gets, the more restrictive the rules get. In the late afternoon it may be down to 7 or 8 hours allowed, not 10. Later at night, again, it is even more restrictive I believe.

 

[Raoul Duke]

these trips will be great for days off

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

see......the greed kicks in!

 

[Ad Lib]

Lets see. Union facilitated outsourcing cost us about 6 years to the right seat, 10 or more to the left. Then there was age 65. Now rest rule changes that reduce crew augmentation.

While waiting "another 5 years" for this job to get really good, we've sure gotten a lot older.

 

[Going2Baja]

DO NOT TOUCH our Island layovers!!!!

Baja.

 

[Raoul Duke]

The point is if I am going to fly 85 hour a month, I want to do it in as few days as possible. If you want to work more days have at it. I freely admit greed to spend time with my family

 

[Mr.B]

Lets see. Union facilitated outsourcing cost us about 6 years to the right seat, 10 or more to the left. Then there was age 65. Now rest rule changes that reduce crew augmentation.

While waiting "another 5 years" for this job to get really good, we've sure gotten a lot older.

If there is no drive by ALPA to turn this crap down there will be a move to drive them off the property of the soon to be largest airline. Count on it. Let them collect regional dues dammit.

 

[clippyrip]

If there is no drive by ALPA to turn this crap down there will be a move to drive them off the property of the soon to be largest airline. Count on it. Let them collect regional dues dammit.

I'd vote them out right now if I had the chance. They cannot fairly represent the regionals and the majors at the same time.

 

[igneousy2]

The max flight time is 10 hours. Hawaii turns in 737s. Not a chance. 777/767...maybe but I think they would Lose most of the gains in added fuel costs.

 

[Raoul Duke]

not if the turn permits the aircraft to depart on another flight from the west coast upon return (i.e the increase in revenue generated by the increase in aircraft utilization as opposed to sitting in Hawaii)

 

[GuppyWN]

LAX/HNL roundtrip is a tad over 11 hours. 10.5 from SFO.

Gup

 

[HalinTexas]

It can be worse certain times of the year. ATA used to do turns on the L10 and B75 (until they figured it was cheaper to RON). Toyed with B737 turns. L10 crews worked 8 days per month, 80+ hrs, and there was always open time. It was a Hawaii triangle too. (LAX/SFO - OGG - HNL - LAX/SFO). Even at M.84 it was a long day. NOT commutable. Then there's the redeye HI turns. Augmented or not, good luck with that!

 

[waveflyer]

Are you guys really pissed that we aren't keeping our old rules?

 

[B727FA]

If our new rules said we could only work one day a week, but had to work that day EVERY week of the year, there'd be some a$$ clown who'd bitch about it.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Holy crap, you mean my Hawaii turns won't be any different than they used to be, but I'm guaranteed a little more rest? Damnit!