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Lil Jon

Lil Jon

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i guess i am an inexperienced, hungry pilot looking to find and share good info and catch insight into things that i am ignorant of, but it just seems that so many people are on these forums to b!#&@ about somethin and blast people they know nothing about. sure i could sit and complain that i only made $10 today instructing because the weather is less than required and that someone with less time than me got a jet job. good for him/her if they made it quickly. they do have to pass the same tests as everyone else. where does someone get that good airline experience that some seem to think is so lacking in low time pilots? and no kidding they dont have the experience but you gotta do something to get it and isn't a good place to do it in the airlines? i could go on forever about all these posts but i'm not going to because what is it accomplishing? lets just chill and help each other out. i chose to pursue a flying career because i love to fly and i'm going to take advantage of an oppourtunity if it helps advance my career. sorry if thats wrong. best of luck to everyone.
 
yeah

With ya 100% but then again, I'm new too, so maybe I dont know $hit either. Seems like people take a beating on here for no apparent reason.
 
Let's suppose that your flight school cut jobs, pay, healthplans, etc from what you previously had so that a student can save $3 per lesson. Wouldn't you be pi$$ed?

Besides, we have made our way over the CFI, freight, military, etc. hurdles, and are at the job where it supposed to be paying off. We have ALREADY paid the dues. Therein lies the griping.

After you get here you'll see.

So far as the personal attacks, it's mostly just fun. A lot of us know eachother on a personal basis and are kidding anyway.
 
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YEEAAAHHHHHH! this is better. i'm sure i'd be pissed if i'm asked to take a pay and benefit cuts too. well, if i had benefits as a cfi.... i made more money mowing grass last summer. just tryin to make it like everyone else.

fly CRUNK! WHHAAAAAAAT
 
That's the point I am getting at Lil Jon. You are working hard right now to get somewhere. I did 4000 hours as a CFI, I know what it's like for you.
Each step of the way, you should get something better. After all, is that not why people even work at all?
Now, once you have gotten over the hurdles, they keep moving the finish line. This is where we get like we are.
Keep pluggin' along. You'll get here sooner or later. When you do, I hope it's good.
 
Lil Jon said:
i guess i am an inexperienced, hungry pilot looking to find and share good info and catch insight into things that i am ignorant of, but it just seems that so many people are on these forums to b!#&@ about somethin and blast people they know nothing about. sure i could sit and complain that i only made $10 today instructing because the weather is less than required and that someone with less time than me got a jet job. good for him/her if they made it quickly. they do have to pass the same tests as everyone else. where does someone get that good airline experience that some seem to think is so lacking in low time pilots? and no kidding they dont have the experience but you gotta do something to get it and isn't a good place to do it in the airlines? i could go on forever about all these posts but i'm not going to because what is it accomplishing? lets just chill and help each other out. i chose to pursue a flying career because i love to fly and i'm going to take advantage of an oppourtunity if it helps advance my career. sorry if thats wrong. best of luck to everyone.
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Enjoy the ride! Most, if not all of the fun, is getting there!
 
aviatrix said:
Enjoy the ride! Most, if not all of the fun, is getting there!
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I tell my wife the same thing.
 
I think the reason people get pissed is because of someone else doing it for less. If you have a job that pays $15 dollars per hour and someone else, the "Competition", does the same job for $12, then you can't justify asking the company for $20. Its a situation where the "Bottom feeders (ie-Mesa, Great Lakes, and Gulfstream) hurt the whole industry. If we all stuck together and didn't take those low paying jobs "Anything to fly!!" then we could get better. Until that happens there will always be underpaid pilots.
 
That's the point I am getting at Lil Jon. You are working hard right now to get somewhere. I did 4000 hours as a CFI, I know what it's like for you.
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Terry,
You did 4000 hours as an instructor, dude you are tough.....I would have shot myself.........right rudder, right rudder, right rudder, oh look what you did.
 
Lil Jon said:
YEEAAAHHHHHH! this is better. i'm sure i'd be pissed if i'm asked to take a pay and benefit cuts too. well, if i had benefits as a cfi.... i made more money mowing grass last summer. just tryin to make it like everyone else.

fly CRUNK! WHHAAAAAAAT
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darn, beat me to it!

I RicK James, Bytch!
 
Everyone on this forum has an opinion and loves to express themselves. We are all here for the same reason. we started flying and thought to ourselves what a great way to make a living. The higher you progress in this industry, you will start to feel an entitlement because of the dues that you paid. This industry is a never ending battle to live the dream. Good luck and don't fall prey to all the negativity.
 
Man, I thought I was ready to do a swan dive off the hangar after 1500 dual given... 4000???
 
4000 dual sounds like he11 but really isn't too bad once you get a mindset on instructing. After about 1000 hrs dual, you have a pretty good idea of what you are doing and find ways to make it not so bad.
If there was a good paying gig in PHX I'd love to do more PT instructing. The academies have the market out there by the short hairs and only let their graduates instruct. That's a shame.

I don't think anyone here hates someone for getting a job with low time. In fact, when that 350th hour was put in my logbook I was one of the ignorant many who sent that aplication and check for $25 to UAL. What an idiot. I can't believe I did that, much less waited for a phone call.
What makes people mad about the low-timers is the willingness to say / vote yes to anything from that Crew Scheduler who is violating the contract to the TA proposed by the company just because they are so "happy to fly a jet" and can have a worse job. This is becoming that "worse job". I have worked some REALLY bad, hard jobs outside of aviation in my time. And that is why I expect those who come into this job to expect better from the employers. And if someone got in easy and fast, they are usually not willing to fight for something better. If someone can see this job for what it is, a professional and skilled position, then I do not care if they got in with only 251 hours or not. Too many times we hear "all you do is push buttons". Mechanically / physically that is true. But anyone who knows anything about this job knows how much fast brainwork is involved when things go bad as well as just how quickly things can go bad. We are not paid for the day-to-day routine. We are paid for what we do when things go wrong. The crash of UAL 232 in Sioux City makes me wonder how anyone can dare say we are overpaid. It is the possibility of days like that for which we deserve the pay. Now imagine a 350 hour pilot in that DC10....do you think it would have turned out as well as it did?
All I'm saying here to the low time pilots is that before wanting a job so fast, remember these 2 things: First, know what you are getting into: make sure you are up for what can happen. Second, don't give away something that someone else earned just because it came easy for you. If these 2 things keep upheld, go for it.
 
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This place does kind of remind me of the International Playa Hater's ball on the Chapelle Show (http://www.dvdork.com/publish/rbk_chappelle.shtml), everytime somebody with low time or an inside connection gets that jet job, everyone just wants to hate, hate, hate.
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I agree, there are some hatin' @$$ cats on here man....... Good god, dudes need to breathe. The thing about "low timers" (whatever that phrase represents to you), is that like most things in life, it's all relative. Just like the size of your house, how tall you are, what your girlfirend looks like, etc. One thing can mean so many different things to different people. There is no way to accurately sterotype a person SOLEY based on their logbook hours, Period............

It's all relative................
 
not much else to do between takeoffs and landings besides b!tch and complain about everything and anything...

you can tell who the real senior pilots are by how much they b!th and complain DURING takeoffs and landings ...

in many ways instructing is a good way to prep you for all the b!tching and moaning you will do as an airline pilot ...

keep on playin playa ... live the dream ....
 
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All I'm saying here to the low time pilots is that before wanting a job so fast, remember these 2 things: First, know what you are getting into: make sure you are up for what can happen. Second, don't give away something that someone else earned just because it came easy for you.
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That last part bears repeating. Extremely well-said.
 
Its the blouses against the shirts, Yeeeeahhh.
 
Very well said Terry, and I admire those 4000 of dual given, I did 1200 and thought I was going to kill my next student.
Lats week I flew with a CA that did 14 years of instructing!
 

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