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Revealed: how 'war hero' Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty
By Charles Laurence in New York (telegraph.uk.com)
(Filed: 07/03/2004)


Senator John Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential candidate who is trading on his Vietnam war record to campaign against President George W Bush, tried to defer his military service for a year, according to a newly rediscovered article in a Harvard University newspaper.

He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a further 12 months studying in Paris, after completing his degree course at Yale University in the mid-1960s.

The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated image as a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war - in supposed contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas National Guard and thus avoided being sent to Vietnam.

The Harvard Crimson newspaper followed a youthful Mr Kerry in Boston as he campaigned for Congress for the first time in 1970. In the course of a lengthy article, "John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress", published on February 18, the paper reported: "When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy."

Samuel Goldhaber, the article's author who is now a cardiologist attached to the Harvard School of Medicine, spent 11 hours trailing Mr Kerry and still remembers that the subject of the Paris deferment came up during long conversations about Vietnam.

"I stand by my story," he told The Telegraph. "It was a long time ago, and I was 19 at the time, so it is hard to remember every detail. But I do know this: at no point did Kerry contact either me or the Crimson to dispute anything I had written."

Sen Kerry's campaign headquarters in Washington refused an opportunity to deny the report. Despite repeated telephone calls from The Telegraph, a spokesman refused to comment. Another Democrat official said merely: "In Vietnam, John Kerry proved his patriotism beyond question. Everyone knows that."

A senior Republican strategist, who asked not to be named, said: "I've not heard this before. This undercuts Kerry's complaints about Bush and it continues to pose questions as to his credibility among ordinary Vietnam veterans."

He said it would fuel concerns over the way Sen Kerry made a name for himself by leading anti-war protests in Washington and Boston in the late 1960s and early 1970s after he had completed his service in the US Navy, even while his former comrades continued to fight and die.

A newly-published biography of Sen Kerry by Douglas Brinkley, A Tour of Duty, makes no mention of the requested deferment or planned year in Paris. At the time, it was still unclear just how long America would remain in Vietnam, and it might have seemed that a year's deferral of service could render enlistment unnecessary.

According to the Democratic Party's version of Sen Kerry's military history, he joined the Reserve Officer Training Corps at Harvard through eagerness to do his duty, and sailed with the Navy for combat as soon as he graduated in 1966.

Sen Kerry won a gallantry medal for his service as a gunboat captain on the Mekong Delta, and was honorably discharged with three "purple heart" medals after sustaining three wounds. He has consistently presented himself as a leader who argued against the war only after fulfilling his duty in the field. Supporters argue that his war record makes him a more trustworthy leader than President Bush, who served sporadically in the National Guard at home.

"This means that Kerry didn't jump into all that heroic service until he was pushed, and it is a very nice piece of information," said Lucianne Goldberg, a prominent Republican campaigner.

Republican strategists for President Bush were already investigating Sen Kerry's record of three wounds sustained in Vietnam. "We find that he had only one day off sick - with three wounds? What exactly were these wounds?" she asked.

Mr Goldhaber recalled that, during a day spent with Sen Kerry and one assistant during his congressional campaign, he had described his involvement, service and decision to oppose the war in great detail.

"I am not at all surprised that he wants to be president, because he exuded ambition from the word go," said Dr Goldhaber. "At the time, the idea that he tried to persuade the draft board to let him spend a year in Paris was just a detail."

A spokesman for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign declined to comment.
 
Hubba, Hubba. I thought this was going to be a post about the Palm Beach county judge who was addicted to Oxicontin.

If anyone missed it, go to www.drudgereport.com for details

enigma
 
The truth is like Kryptonite to liberals!!! And, I agree, Hubba, Hubba!! And, who can forget, "Stop the tape, stop the tape...":D

God bless Maha!!
 
Well, I'm certianly glad that the Republicans haven't resorted to the Democrat technique of digging up their opponent's old military service and medical records. That would make them look just as bad as the Democrats, wouldn't it?

Oh wait...that's exactly what they're doing.

(Tell me again why the two-party system is so wonderful? :confused: )
 
Bush volunteered

There was an article in the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times a week or two ago that stated Bush volunteered for something called "Palace Guard"? (I cant remember the name of the program, but this is what I thought the article referenced to). This program was to go to the war without your unit being called to deploy. He was turned down because of his low time and the aircraft that he flew, the F-102 9he volunteered shortly after flight school. The Guard did not feel that Bush had the experience in the aircraft at the time.
Ya I know, the libs are going to say he picked that aircraft on purpose and volunteered knowing he couldnt go.:rolleyes:

On a side note, or the topic of this thread, Kerry could have done what alot of the Purple Heart recipients did and refuse the Purle Hearts like Sen John Mccain. Kerry came back with only 4 months under his belt. Was out for one day with the three wounds. The diff between Sen Mccain and Kerry is that Mcain was really wounded and still refused the medal.:mad:
 
Kerry may be a complete weasel, but he is now the democrats weasel, so don't expect anything disparaging of his service to have much life in the so-called "mainstream"* press.





* The networks, CNN and the NY Times.
 
the press

Oh there is little difference between the two parties. Do you honestly believe ANYTHING these people tell you? Its lies lies lies lies lies. And it comes from both sides.

As for the media's slant, if you think it’s a liberal or conservative one, think for yourself.

I wonder if it’s an entertainment/ratings slant?

Sex, violence and fear sells to the masses. If ANY candidate has a sex scandal, it’s in the news. The long-term impacts of budget deficits will not be discussed in any detail. Nor will long term discussions on nation building be had. The general public has an IQ of maybe 85. If you laugh at sitcoms, this is probably you. If you find the latest plot on Friends fascinating, filled with twists and exciting, this is you. If you listen to FOX, Dan Rather or any of those idiots it might be you. If you honestly think Rosie Odenal, Bill O’reilly, Dan Rather or Rush the drug addict have interesting commentaries then this is you.

If you’d like news try the Christian Science Monitor. No religious slant, its probably the most unbiased reporting you’ll find. http://www.csmonitor.com/

If you can't handle the news I’d suggest a steady diet of the Simpsons and Elimidate. http://elimidate.warnerbros.com/ The hot tub girl kissing fest at the end is fascinating on many levels.
 
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Don said:
Oh there is little difference between the two parties. Do you honestly believe ANYTHING these people tell you? Its lies lies lies lies lies. And it comes from both sides.
Hear hear! The only difference between W. and Kerry is which menu of lies they wave in our faces.

Like I said, trying to find truth in politics is like trying to eat soup with a fork.
 
Well, I'm certainly glad that the Republicans haven't resorted to the Democrat technique of digging up their opponent's old military service and medical records. That would make them look just as bad as the Democrats, wouldn't it?


Typhoon, I understand what you're saying, and if the my party goes negative in a big way, they've lost this election. (and for the record, pointing out the opponent's ultra-liberal voting record and failure to take a definitive stand on important issues is NOT negative.)

BUT, a British newspaper discovered and reported this, not the Republicans. Also, this is hardly digging up anything. This was a matter of very public record after it was published in the Harvard Crimson.........not a secret by any means.

This came from the UK Telegraph. I don't think that anyone will be able to successfully argue that the US Republican Party controls or even has an inkling of influence over the foreign media, especially considering the vicious attacks leveled by the international media on anyone in this country who leans right-of-center.
 
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sqwkvfr said:
Typhoon, I understand what you're saying, and if the my party goes negative in a big way, they've lost this election.
From the above-posted article:
Republican strategists for President Bush were already investigating Sen Kerry's record of three wounds sustained in Vietnam.
The campaigning styles of each party not dissimilar. Remember Newt Gingrich's philosophy? "Go negative early?" Do as much damage to the other saide as you can as early as you can? Dirty tricks?

Personally, I can no longer in good faith support either the Democratic or Republican party. Too many crooks on both sides.
 

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