Weird stall recovery technique?

[realisent]

for the 172 power off stall, i was taught:
1. Power
2. Pitch
3. Drag

Step 3, Drag, involves taking out 1 notch of flaps, 40 to 30 or 30 to 20

So this isn't the proper way to go????

 

[midlifeflyer]

for the 172 power off stall, i was taught:
1. Power
2. Pitch
3. Drag

Step 3, Drag, involves taking out 1 notch of flaps, 40 to 30 or 30 to 20

So this isn't the proper way to go????

Actually, I teach pitch first and then power.

The first order of priority is to increase the angle of attack and break the stall. Pitch accomplishes that immediately. You can make a complete stall recovery without ever increasing power. Sure, you'll lose altitude, but you will recover from the stall. In fact, with students who are a bit fearful of stalls, I do a stall-unstall-stall-unstall demo where I leave power alone and do a series of repeated stalls and recoveries on the way down.

Power is important because it's power that minimizes the loss of altitude. But you can add full power during a power-off stall recovery and either stay in the stall or induce a secondary stall.

 

[T/SF34/A]

tv engine failures, stalls, crashes...

Isnt it funny that whenever an aircraft on a tv show, movie, etc, looses an engine the immediate consequence is a stall. Or if it's not an immediate stall, the pilot barrels the airplane into the ground at full speed usually causing death to the occupants or extreme aircraft damage...

Television pilots always forget how to recover from stalls and never shoot for best glide after loss of power.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: tv engine failures, stalls, crashes...

Television pilots always forget how to

Except Sky King, of course. Heck, he was good enough to run over the only scrub vegetation for miles around whenever he landed in the middle of the desert!

 

[avbug]

Coincidentally that scrub happens to be the only stuff burning...and I've been putting it out all summer. Finding desert without sage, saltbush, and other fauna is rare. If it's not covered in that, it's joshua, cactus, etc. Or lots of pinion/juniper. Maybe skyking wasn't finding the only brush out there, after all.

You stated before that your first order of priority is to increase angle of attack. Doubless you meant decrease it...unless the idea is to make sure it's really stalled before attempting recovery...

In a stall, most of the time, the reduction of angle of attack, increase in power, and reduction of drag will be performed almost simultaneously. Never in a rush, but typically at the same time.

I've had several occasions this summer to experience some hard buffets in some critical situations. Usually close to the ground. First priority is always to fly the airplane, and that involves reducing angle of attack. Usually subtly, rather than in a big action, especially when there is no altitude to play with. Then an increase in power and usually an pullup to avoid ground contact.

Retracting flaps in such a case may be counterproductive, until more important things have been accomplished. However, this is very subjective, and depends on the aircraft and the circumstances. A stall practiced at altitude in a safe setting is very different from one encountered in an altitude and time-critical setting.

 

[midlifeflyer]

You stated before that your first order of priority is to increase angle of attack. Doubless you meant decrease it...unless the idea is to make sure it's really stalled before attempting recovery...

You discovered my instructional secret!

Where're you been? Haven't seen your posts in a while.

 

[avbug]

2003 fire season. I'm still there, too

 

[Timebuilder]

Glad to see you had a break to say "hello". Yep, stillaboo's avatar is not only mesmerizing, but I always end up thirsty for milk.

Even so, Mark's new avatar is kind of cool, too.

 

[realisent]

yeah i got it backwards (you know how it is as a lowly private pilot right?)


Stall Recovery:

Pitch

Power

Drag

got it, thanks