Wash out rate?

[wmudriver]

I won't be seeing an interview for a while but out of curiosity...What is the wash-out rate at the regional level?
What are common reasons for washing out?

'driver

 

[FSB99]

this is a few years back, but in my class of 20, only 1 washed out. technical reason was, he had a hard time in the simulator with v1 cuts. real reason, he had a hard time learning to interact with the guy sitting next to him.. didn't want to listen to the instructors, drew an imaginary line down the center of the cockpit, thought everybody was out to get him.

 

[WhiteCloud]

I'd say the #1 reason for a washout is that the pilot fails to excercise leadership in getting the training they need. Some training programs are better than others but the pilot receiving the training has to make sure they are getting what they need from the instructors so they can succeed. Directors of Training or Instructors can't help if they don't know there is a problem and by checkride time it could be too late to get more sessions or clarify what is expected. Extra help is often needed and, as long as you are giving 100% and are willing to learn you'll get it.

 

[dondk]

When I went through at all 3 regionals...
The main reason in the props were poor scans or very little instument time. People who flew day VFR for hundreds of hours.

In the RJ it was the sim, emergencies with approach after approach and getting so far behind the aircraft it could have been funny just to watch. The scan is slightly different as is the need to really "manage" the autopilot and not actually fly the plane. It is a hard concept to get use to intially.

In the 1900.. 26 in the class. 5 washed out during training
In the Dash.. 9 in the class 1 washed out
In the RJ.. 9 in the class 4 washed out.

At my current company we have had an average washout of 20% for almost 2 years, with a high of 75% for a brief period of time (month). Currently we are down around 5-10% (per the training department).

 

[chperplt]

with a high of 75% for a brief period of time (month).

Either you need(ed) a new recruiter, or your training department needs to step up to the plate big time.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I won't be seeing an interview for a while but out of curiosity...What is the wash-out rate at the regional level?
What are common reasons for washing out?

'driver

We no-kidding had a new hire wash out for failing an INDOC test a few months ago.

 

[dondk]

yea, the 75% was the spring of '02.. We had just hired a bunch of furloughed Delta and United guys (as sim instructors) who worked for regionals as former RJ drivers. There was some confusion on "who's" way things were suppose to be done..

If I heard "that is not how Comair does it" once I heard it a dozen times. For a time we were calling OUR training department "comair lite"...

I was before that mess, but had to do refresher training due to my short furlough. I really felt for the dudes who had to put up with the ensuing confusion of a training department who had no idea who they were or how things were "suppose" to get done!

Scary part.. we still hear that phrase today at times from the training department..

 

[AceCrackshot]

dondk, you're PCL, right. I've heard some horror stories, especially from that timeframe and mid of '01.

Another perspective, from a three airline POV:

B1900C/D-- 6 in class, all graduated. (The only 100% pass class at that airline in memory, as I recall.)

DHC-8-- 26 in class, 2 failed. One was a ATR driver with sim difficulties. Other was corporate guy with systems test issues.

ERJ-- 24 or thereabouts in training, two failed, both in the sim, one was a pure lightplane driver, the other was mostly a light plane, with a lousy sim instructor.

The big thing is that 99% percent of the time, the company/training dept wants to get you through. That being said, training is the LAST place were you want "go along, to get along." If you are have instructor/student interface issues, you need to speak up, right now. Especially in a 8-10 sim ride session training environment, counting LOFT and the PC, three rides is 12 hours together, and almost half of your training.
And ask for help. Ask for help. Ask for help. This is not the time to be John Wayne.

And criminal prosecutions, accidents/violations, and training failures at the 121 level are three things that will haunt you.

 

[captainv]

very few washout at Comair. the training is a bit longer than most (90 days) and it's designed to take academy guys from a seminole to an RJ. still, a few guys had to take their checkride over, mostly over procedural stuff, forgetting calls and such. i know we've a fewpilots come in with really bad attitudes, make it successfully through training, but were asked to leave. we do have people leave during training, but usually it's a furloughee either finding a better gig or finding out it may not be that long until he gets recalled...

the attitude here is that they want you to pass. if you're struggling, all you have to do is ask.

 

[chperplt]

In the nearly 3 years I was with Colgan, I don't recal anyone washing out of training. We did have a couple off the street captains get moved into the right seat, but they were upgraded soon after.. Even with all the 500 hour PFT guys/gals coming over and getting their type rating, I think they have a 100% first time pass rate..

Kind of surprising since most of them can't fly the airplane or know very much about the systems..

 

[Mungusaurus]

T T T T T T Timmmmmmmayyyyyyyy

Chper, love the new avitar. And I think you meant connoiseur. Anyhoo washing out of our airline has happened. ONCE. And that was because the guy never showed up for the sim.
We had another guy who never made it to sim because his missus told him not to go.
CHper, Jay, DLord I miss you guys. PLEASE COME BACK!

 

[chperplt]

PLEASE COME BACK!

After I told your CP in my last e-mail to him that he is a moron, I don't think that would be possible.