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DelphinDriver

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I'm in my second year of flying 135 cargo in piston twins. I am thinking of applying to the regionals but I recieved a warning letter a few months ago. Will that letter kill my chances of a position at a regional?? Anyone out there flying for the regionals with a letter??

Any help would be great...
 
The warning letter by itself is not a dealbreaker. You'll just need to explain what led to the letter in the way that shows your regret, what you learned from the incident, and what steps you've taken to ensure something like that never happens again.. Take responsibility for it and you should have no problem. I know a guy recently hired at a regional that had a letter of warning. Not a dealbreaker unless you let it become one.
 
Very well put English. I might add that if you can find some way to shine a positive light on it that might help also.
 
I think you should be fine as long as you can explain it. Everyone goofs up once in a while, we are all human. It may also depend on what the warning letter was for. If it was just a warning then you should be ok. I had a warning letter for calling in sick 3 x in a 12 month period at my previous airline (their policy :-( ) and it was not a factor when I left.
Hope this helps..


BS
 
Hey Longhorn, are you writing about a company letter of warning? I think DelphinDriver is referring to an FAA letter of warning, which is a pretty big deal.
 
Longhorn said:
I think you should be fine as long as you can explain it. Everyone goofs up once in a while, we are all human. It may also depend on what the warning letter was for. If it was just a warning then you should be ok. I had a warning letter for calling in sick 3 x in a 12 month period at my previous airline (their policy :-( ) and it was not a factor when I left.
Hope this helps..


BS

And oh what a Sh*tty policy that was. Hope life is treating you well with the blue boys Longhorn. Hook 'em.

Rook
 
In the grand scheme of things, a warning letter is a "warning" that the FAA alleges that you have broken an FAR, but is not prosecuting it. A Letter of Correction means that the FAA officially takes the position that FAR(s) were broken and that an agreement has been reached to correct the problem.

If a Letter of Investigation is sent, meaning a file is opened, the FAA Investigator must take some action to close their file. The Letter of Warning is the least the FAA can do. A letter of Correction is used when there is some concern that a problem exists that must be corrected. Mostly these are used to address honest mistakes.

Safety of flight issues and intentional acts are usually addressed by Certificate Action, up to Revocation.

Letters of warning are typically expunged from the FAA's records after 24 months. However, if your employer made a report the incident may be reported under the Pilot Records Improvement Act, which can follow you around for life.

With PRIA, the best thing to do is to disclose everything. Typically a pilot gets hired, is in the middle of training, then the PRIA report from the former employer(s) are recieved and problems start.

Depending on the FAA professional involved, Certificate Action can be started from relatively minor infractions, such as failure to post a revision. One difference between the applicants with 200 hours of sim time and those with thousands of hours of flight time is that the pilots often have something unfortunate to explain. You are not the Lone Ranger. Just make sure you have dealt with the issue in a positive way.

As far as Company Warning letters go - it depends on the circumstances. At our airline we get warning letters for calling in sick when we are physiologically incapable of flying safetly. If given the choice between getting a Company Warning letter and being involved in an incident which could result in a warning from the FSDO, always choose the side of safety and caution.
 
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Be able to explain it. Accept blame if you made an error. Did you learn from it so it won't happen again? Everyone makes mistakes.

The regionals are hurting for pilots. ASA mins. are now 600/100 which means they are having trouble.

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English said:
Hey Longhorn, are you writing about a company letter of warning? I think DelphinDriver is referring to an FAA letter of warning, which is a pretty big deal.


Ahhhh, I see now. Well, I think as long as you can explain it you could be ok depending on what it was. I thought it was a warning letter from the company.

Rook- I agree, that was a messed up policy and I was one of the few that got caught up in it. Things are going well here but I do miss a lot of my friends over there. Overall, a good group of pilots.
 
Hey Guys, thanks alot for the help. Yeah it was a warning letter from the FAA. I got stuck flying a Baron on a route typically flown with a C402. The cargo was really bulky yet not really heavy. I couldnt get my cargo net over all of it and when I got ramp checked at my destination (thanks murphy) the inspector wasn't happy. Ah well....
 
DelphinDriver said:
Hey Guys, thanks alot for the help. Yeah it was a warning letter from the FAA. I got stuck flying a Baron on a route typically flown with a C402. The cargo was really bulky yet not really heavy. I couldnt get my cargo net over all of it and when I got ramp checked at my destination (thanks murphy) the inspector wasn't happy. Ah well....

You mean the severe turbulence you ran into in flight didn't cause the cargo and net to shift?
 
1. Letters of Warning are total B.S., and for 99% of LoW, a reasonable interviewer will try not to laugh when you contritely and humbly described how much you learned from whatever dumbass thing you did to get in the first place. Forgot a certificate? Two days late on a Jepp revision? Flashlight batteries dead and the fed saw you do a nighttime walkaround? Puh-leeeze. ( I know one guy who got one for having said revision IN HIS FLIGHT KIT, but not properly indexed -- I call shennanigans)

2. Letters of Warning SOUND serious, and there is the chance you might run into an interviewer who's never heard of one. Mesa is notorious for grabbing random line pilots to interview candidates. This could bite you in the ass.

My advice -- apply to regionals, be upfront with what happened, but hold off for 2 years on the dream carrier application. No point having an application on file with a "yes" to the LoW question, then updating it two years latter with a "no" to the same question. Looks suspicious.
 
Longhorn said:
I think you should be fine as long as you can explain it. Everyone goofs up once in a while, we are all human. It may also depend on what the warning letter was for. If it was just a warning then you should be ok. I had a warning letter for calling in sick 3 x in a 12 month period at my previous airline (their policy :-( ) and it was not a factor when I left.
Hope this helps..


BS

That is one $hitty f-cked up policy. They can kiss my a$$. If I'm sick, I'm sick, and I'm not flying. Period. They don't like it, too f-cking bad. I can possibly understand a large number of times (like 20 or so) in a year, but 3????!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUU-K YOU!! Is there any kind of legality that could help someone that is caught under this $hitty policy?

Hell, when I was with Mesa, I called in sick one time, and they put me on with a chief pilot who tried to strong arm me into going into work. He shut up real f-cking fast when I asked how he'd like me giving their POI in Dallas a call and relating to him what they are asking their pilots to do.
 
My advice -- apply to regionals, be upfront with what happened, but hold off for 2 years on the dream carrier application. No point having an application on file with a "yes" to the LoW question, then updating it two years latter with a "no" to the same question. Looks suspicious.[/QUOTE]

I agree to apply and be honest about the infraction. I must disagree to waiting two years and answer no. If at any time the carrier finds out about a letter and you answered no on your application you will be terminated. No union in the world can stop that. If you got a letter admit to it explain it and what you learned from it. Many a people have been fired for lying on their apps. and there is no statue of limitations. One year two years or twenty years they will terminate you for lying.
 
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I agree to apply and be honest about the infraction. I must disagree to waiting two years and answer no. If at any time the carrier finds out about a letter and you answered no on your application you will be terminated. No union in the world can stop that. If you got a letter admit to it explain it and what you learned from it. Many a people have been fired for lying on their apps. and there is no statue of limitations. One year two years or twenty years they will terminate you for lying.[/QUOTE]

100% correct. Technically though, I was referring to an app questioning if you have (currently) a LOW on file. Wait 2 years, and you can honestly answer no.
 

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