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[EnFuego]

I was looking for an eye rolling emoji but we don’t have one.
First, HR departments hire pilots and nobody is going to be black balled. “There’s already talk” is the first line of any fake news propaganda.
Second, you are probably correct that work rules will be super efficient for the company. Plan on being rested and working hard, but also plan on excellent compensation. One offset will be fewer bogus fatigue calls that have already caused hardships on those who come to work to work.
Third, you underestimate KRs desire to dominate this industry so we can toss out your status quo premise. He will most likely control NJ someday in the future. It may explain why NJPA is so darn interested in our private matter.

This is a quote worth saving. Because you will want to rub his nose in it in about a year... And there is the eye roll emoji. I found it on the first try...

 

[ghostrider64]

Super happy for you, super happy for all those NJA guys waiting for Southwest interviews because you guys are no longer welcome at LUV!

 

[SDCFI]

Super happy for you, super happy for all those NJA guys waiting for Southwest interviews because you guys are no longer welcome at LUV!

I keep seeing this sentiment posted and don't understand it. The decert voters aren't going anywhere, they either buy into the delusional KR vision, or are the "trapped employees" he talks about in his most ironically named book ever. So the people who will be trying to leave are the pro union voters or those who are fired by the regime in retaliation for their union activity. Why make it harder for those folks to get out on the off chance you might end up with an anti union pilot? And if somehow a non union type does end up at a real unionized airline they will quickly be assimilated and see the error of their ways or be ostracized by the majority.

 

[squawk]

I keep seeing this sentiment posted and don't understand it. The decert voters aren't going anywhere, they either buy into the delusional KR vision, or are the "trapped employees" he talks about in his most ironically named book ever. So the people who will be trying to leave are the pro union voters or those who are fired by the regime in retaliation for their union activity. Why make it harder for those folks to get out on the off chance you might end up with an anti union pilot? And if somehow a non union type does end up at a real unionized airline they will quickly be assimilated and see the error of their ways or be ostracized by the majority.

This assumes all unions are the same.
Some unions just suck, others are great.
ALPA is not IBT, neither is SWAPA or APA.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Anyone who voted to keep the union and is trying to get out better have some proof. I spoke with one last night who was a decerter. I was surprised. I don't think he truly knows what he did to himself. Actions have consequences.

 

[EnFuego]

This assumes all unions are the same.
Some unions just suck, others are great.
ALPA is not IBT, neither is SWAPA or APA.

All Unions are the same. They are all as strong as the UNITY OF THE PILOTS. 318 pilots do suck, and that is why our Union was not strong.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Don’t take squawk seriously. You may recall that he tried to bust up in here as being “on the fence” and just a few short days later was flipping the bird to half the pilot group in front of the IBT truck. In other words, he’s completely full of sh*t and willing to lie to you to push his agenda.

Like I said earlier, any means to an end.

Oh, btw, for anyone counting, original FJ’s just took it in the shorts with the dissolution of the ISL, are being made to sign those employee contracts that “aren’t worth the paper they’re written on” again, and those proclaiming that you don’t have to watch your 6 will be proven wrong again very shortly when the union leadership is terminated.

I feel very badly for my former Flex brethren, but the comeuppance followed by the “we warned you’s“ will be sweet to serve up to the decert crowd.

 

[realityman]

I was looking for an eye rolling emoji but we don’t have one.
First, HR departments hire pilots and nobody is going to be black balled. “There’s already talk” is the first line of any fake news propaganda.
Second, you are probably correct that work rules will be super efficient for the company. Plan on being rested and working hard, but also plan on excellent compensation. One offset will be fewer bogus fatigue calls that have already caused hardships on those who come to work to work.
Third, you underestimate KRs desire to dominate this industry so we can toss out your status quo premise. He will most likely control NJ someday in the future. It may explain why NJPA is so darn interested in our private matter.

Uh huh.Right. You go on telling yourself whatever you need to in order to feel better about making the worst mistake in the history of aviation.

You know, you're right about one thing. Makes no real difference to me. When KR runs roughshod all over you because you have no real protections except his "promises" (I'm sorry, refresh my memory on how it went with the 401K thing and how many times he altered his "promise" of when he was giving back the match? And that's just the tip of the iceberg), I'll be enjoying the protections of my union contract. While KR upgrades people based on butt-kissing pucker and chapstick factors, I'll be enjoying bidding, and receiving, my airframes based on my seniority. While you can work your 16-hour day all nice and refreshed, I'll enjoy my maximum of 14 hours with hourly overtime paid out after 12 hours. While you enjoy your payscale based on who-knows-what, again watching KR's favorites get the most, I'll be enjoying my predictable, stable and contractual payscale over here. When KR pushes you to fly broken planes because hey, what are you gonna do if he disciplines you for refusing to do so, I'll be doing the professional thing without fear of retaliation thanks to having a union. Oh, the list is quite extensive, so you're right, no need to worry my ruggedly handsome face over your private matter.

Oh, maybe you should check again about a unions influence of hiring at the majors. Seems like they've had great success keeping scabs off the rolls of employment. I can't imagine doing the same with Flex pilots will be terribly difficult for them, if they actually choose to go that route.

I feel very sorry for those who voted to keep the union. They don't deserve what's coming next. It's a terrible position to be in. For the rest, I'll just say good luck. Everything you think KR will do for you now to make Flex a glorious place to be, he could've done with the union in place. All the successful airlines, and Netjets, have done so, even if the road to get there was bumpy. The fact that he fought it all the way should tell you all you need to know about how wonderful it's going to be.

 

[CALRepublic]

I He will most likely control NJ someday in the future. It may explain why NJPA is so darn interested in our private matter.

WOW

Hey Kenn. Is that you? That’s gotta be you.

 

[squawk]

Uh huh.Right. You go on telling yourself whatever you need to in order to feel better about making the worst mistake in the history of aviation.

You know, you're right about one thing. Makes no real difference to me. When KR runs roughshod all over you because you have no real protections except his "promises" (I'm sorry, refresh my memory on how it went with the 401K thing and how many times he altered his "promise" of when he was giving back the match? And that's just the tip of the iceberg), I'll be enjoying the protections of my union contract. While KR upgrades people based on butt-kissing pucker and chapstick factors, I'll be enjoying bidding, and receiving, my airframes based on my seniority. While you can work your 16-hour day all nice and refreshed, I'll enjoy my maximum of 14 hours with hourly overtime paid out after 12 hours. While you enjoy your payscale based on who-knows-what, again watching KR's favorites get the most, I'll be enjoying my predictable, stable and contractual payscale over here. When KR pushes you to fly broken planes because hey, what are you gonna do if he disciplines you for refusing to do so, I'll be doing the professional thing without fear of retaliation thanks to having a union. Oh, the list is quite extensive, so you're right, no need to worry my ruggedly handsome face over your private matter.

Oh, maybe you should check again about a unions influence of hiring at the majors. Seems like they've had great success keeping scabs off the rolls of employment. I can't imagine doing the same with Flex pilots will be terribly difficult for them, if they actually choose to go that route.

I feel very sorry for those who voted to keep the union. They don't deserve what's coming next. It's a terrible position to be in. For the rest, I'll just say good luck. Everything you think KR will do for you now to make Flex a glorious place to be, he could've done with the union in place. All the successful airlines, and Netjets, have done so, even if the road to get there was bumpy. The fact that he fought it all the way should tell you all you need to know about how wonderful it's going to be.

Call me a scab to my face and you will be picking at your scabs for months.

 

[MBWilliamsTX]

Third, you underestimate KRs desire to dominate this industry so we can toss out your status quo premise. He will most likely control NJ someday in the future. It may explain why NJPA is so darn interested in our private matter.

When and if that ever happens, I’m not holding my breath, there will be 2400+ union pilots with a strong resolve that will enforce the protections in their contract. So tell me how that would be good for Ricci and the 318gang.

 

[exagony]

Call me a scab to my face and you will be picking at your scabs for months.

Tell me where and when and I’ll call you a scab - we’ll see who walks away with scabs on their
face- loser

 

[realityman]

Call me a scab to my face and you will be picking at your scabs for months.

Wow, no wonder you voted to decert. Clearly, reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.

I didn't say you were a scab, I said airline unions have successfully kept scabs from being hired, therefore it's not too much of a stretch to say they could influence whether Flex pilots could be hired. It was in response to your assertion airline unions have no say in hiring and.......... you know what? Just go back to your glorious future. It's gonna be great! I just know it! World domination and yada yada.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Call me a scab to my face and you will be picking at your scabs for months.

What you guys have done is worse than being a scab. At least after scabs cross the picket line and the strike is over, there’s still a union in place.

 

[Brit]

I've said it before and will say again. Don't ever call Kenn stupid. He's one smart SOB. Bottom line, this group never had the sack to form a strong union. Congrats to management and good luck with your firings!

 

[squawk]

What you guys have done is worse than being a scab. At least after scabs cross the picket line and the strike is over, there’s still a union in place.

Netjets dumped IBT 1108. Are they scabs?
American dumped ALPA, are they?
Southwest went independent. Are they scabs?
The majority of Flexjet pilots decertified a bad union, just like Netjets did, again, were they scabs?
Everything was done through the NMB. The IBT has given the NMB a lot of business. Everything about the decertification was done legally and according to all labor laws.
Do any of you have a problem with that??

 

[GooodLaaa]

Netjets dumped IBT 1108. Are they scabs?
American dumped ALPA, are they?
Southwest went independent. Are they scabs?
The majority of Flexjet pilots decertified a bad union, just like Netjets did, again, were they scabs?
Everything was done through the NMB. The IBT has given the NMB a lot of business. Everything about the decertification was done legally and according to all labor laws.
Do any of you have a problem with that??

All above still kept Unions, you really are completely inept in reading and comprehension.

 

[realityman]

Netjets dumped IBT 1108. Are they scabs?
American dumped ALPA, are they?
Southwest went independent. Are they scabs?
The majority of Flexjet pilots decertified a bad union, just like Netjets did, again, were they scabs?
Everything was done through the NMB. The IBT has given the NMB a lot of business. Everything about the decertification was done legally and according to all labor laws.
Do any of you have a problem with that??

No moron, we did NOT decertify. We DISAFILIATED. There's a world of difference between the two. We never, not for one tiny second, went without a union. Neither did any of those other entities you listed.

You, and everyone at Flex, have the ignoble honor of being the first unionized aviation group EVER to decertify. Congratulations. I'm sure that'll work out wonderfully for you.

ALL of the best jobs in aviation are unionized. That is completely contrary to the reality KR sold to all of you. He said you couldn't have a great job there with a union on property, and even with loads of companies in existence to hold up as evidence he was full of bull stuff, 318 of you bought into it.

Like I said. Good luck to all of you. You're really going to need it. Enjoy your $1000 bonus he's giving all of you. How sweet. I'll be enjoying the $9000 anniversary bonus I get EVERY YEAR because it's IN OUR CONTRACT.

Let me know when be truly makes you better compensated than us. Shouldn't be hard without the union, right?

 

[Casa212]

Squawk
U do realize the way you post, we know u are not a pilot and that you actually work for the union busting 3rd party firms that are nothing but hired guns.
You got this round, but slime always rises to the surface. If you really feel like throwing punches bring it to house that is not being manipulated by a oranges face smiling ass.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Squawk is a former Challenger instructor turned RL pilot. He’s in the infamous picture flipping off the IBT.

His specious argument above is just a further indication that he’s full of half truths on the subject. Any means to an end.

He’s not a a scab. Lenin coined a better term for him in union matters.

 

[Casa212]

My Bad
He's internal union busting slime.
Either way when he starts physically threatening real pilots it's not going to end well

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Which fat guy is he now? PM if you don't want to post it.

 

[John MClain]

Call me a scab to my face and you will be picking at your scabs for months.

Which face would that be?

 

[rajflyboy]

Verbal Abuse is still abuse and threats as well and you can go to a judge and get a restraining order on this individual and the Proof ... is right here on this message board

you peeps aint too smart

think before you hit send

 

[Imissmypilot]

Which fat guy is he now? PM if you don't want to post it.

I know there's a few fat ones in that picture aren't there?

He's the one in the truck bed. What is particularly funny is that a former friend happens to have a a full of text messages he sent that correspond with times he was in the Sim giving check rides. Porn. Derogatory comments about the applicants. Derogatory comments about colleagues. Derogatory comments about management. You name it it's all in there.

Oh but don't worry there's plenty of juice on the other fat one too. Both of them played both ends against the middle but there are some of us who knew their true colors all along.

Why is it there is so much banter about how pro-union piilots needed a union because they sucked at their jobs when in reality it's these pro decerters with all of the questionable material and or life choices?

 

[V1 Rotate]

Here’s something else for you guys to chew on; Ricci gave $5 Million to the Notre Dame marching band. He’s giving you $1,000 each, totaling just under $600,000. If he gave $5 Million to you, you’d each get about $8,000. How does that feel? Number 2: The $100 Million that he donated to Notre Dame is upon his death. In other words, if he doesn’t need it while he’s alive. Number 3: Upon his death, Notre Dame acquires Flexjet. Good luck with your careers when Notre Dame is running you. They’ll see you or dissolve you.