VOR Standard Service volume legality

[C425Driver]

FN FAL,

My answer was in response to the question asked in post #13.

Did someone pi$$ in your Wheaties this morning or are you always this much of a d0uchebag?

C425Driver

 

[FN FAL]

FN FAL,

My answer was in response to the question asked in post #13.

Did someone pi$$ in your Wheaties this morning or are you always this much of a d0uchebag?

C425Driver

Wheaties? Why would I buy a five dollar box of cereal, made from 10 cents worth of wheat?

And what's up with wheat, anyway?

Wheat, gets mentioned in United States v. Lopez and United States v. Stewart, as if it's jellin like a felon. Jeeze, grow some wheat in your back yard, bake some bread to feed your chillins and next thing you know they make a federal case or fifty out of the fact that you greatly affect interstate commerce by making your own bread. What's up with that? I think it would be smoooooooooth to make your own bread...just don't be having stripes and shoot on your shoulders, because you ain't in charge of this thing (say it like caneman, it reads more funnier that way).

And speaking of being in charge of this thing, what's up with those roller hot dog wieners? My buddy ate two of them on a pit stop one day, got sick and is admitted to the hospital. Next thing you know, he's released from the hospital and the first thing he does is come out of the closet...that's smoooooooth! Was it the roller wieners or the hospital stay? I'd say that them roller wieners greatly affect interstate commerce...but you don't hear no justices citing them in their supreme court cases. Speaking of cases, do you think those roller wieners have all natural cases? Smoooooooth!

Hahahahahahahah...

 

[ptarmigan]

You answered the question yourself, actually. You are outside the service volume, legally you need a vector to legally proceed to it. If you don't get one, ask for it. If they will not give it to you, you need an alternate clearance. Also, keep in mind that the moment you shift to proceeding direct and off that vector, you have also shifted the responsibility for terrain separation to yourself.

Practically speaking, most pilots just fly the vector until the signal seems good enough to use. It is unlikely it will be questioned, as most Feds riding don't know TERPs that well, and ATC will be happy to be relieved of the responsibility to vector you and get back to just separating the metal.

 

[minitour]

You answered the question yourself, actually. You are outside the service volume, legally you need a vector to legally proceed to it. If you don't get one, ask for it. If they will not give it to you, you need an alternate clearance. Also, keep in mind that the moment you shift to proceeding direct and off that vector, you have also shifted the responsibility for terrain separation to yourself.

When off airway /U, how do I know for sure I'm not within the "Service Volume"?

-mini

 

[ptarmigan]

At the hearing the question would not be "how do you know for sure you're not", but rather "how do you know for sure you ARE"! If that doesn't answer your question, read my answer again.

 

[AWACO]

Easy boys, easy...

 

[minitour]

At the hearing the question would not be "how do you know for sure you're not", but rather "how do you know for sure you ARE"! If that doesn't answer your question, read my answer again.

Burdon of proof is on them, no? Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

Say nothing...let them decide when you switched from Vector nav to Pilot Nav?

*no...I have no idea...I'm guessing. I still want to know how to figure out (/U) how I'm for sure not within the service volume. Yes, I re-read your first answer and it doesn't answer my question.

Is this where the "Distance to Station" formulas come in?

-mini

 

[ptarmigan]

Innocent until proven guilty? Man, you obviously do not understand the process for administrative actions. This ain't no criminal court of law, there is NO presumption of innocence here. Look up Admininstrative law and the procedures. The burden of proof is on YOU, just as it is if you land with reporting weather below mins. This won't even come up unless there is a incident, which means you are busted no matter what.

As for knowing, well, you could ask ATC, or you could use other VORs to triangulate your position. You could have used DR calcs, really doesn't matter which, you just need to be able to demonstrate you are not just flying along fat, dumb and happy.

 

[minitour]

Man, you obviously do not understand the process for administrative actions.

...never said I did...read my answer again.

-mini

 

[FN FAL]

Burdon of proof is on them, no? Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

-mini

ADMINISTRATIVE LAW...they don't need no stinking badges. You don't have any rights except to remain silent. And they won't tell you that, because they don't have to read you the Miranda warning.

Now, if you wreck because of the VOR debacle, state law will come after you in addition to what the feds are going to do to you. At the minimum, it will be an ordinance violation of making too much noise, at the worst you'll be charged with Negligent Homicide.