AA717driver
A simpler time...
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Turtle--From someone on the outside looking in, I think the battle lines were drawn when the East MEC virtually insisted on DOH or nothing.
That and the 'less-than-100%-effort' in the negotiations probably cemented the animosity in the West. TC
Turtle--From someone on the outside looking in, I think the battle lines were drawn when the East MEC virtually insisted on DOH or nothing.
That and the 'less-than-100%-effort' in the negotiations probably cemented the animosity in the West. TC
Confused is an understatement. Are you saying that in your mind, when the Nic Award was revealed the West immediately and irrationally started insulting the Easties? You don't think the East's reaction to the Award didn't somehow provoke a reaction? The Westies are bad guys because we followed the rules and aren't happy that the East isn't?The West's anger and vitriol seems to have all erupted in concert with the Nic award. And that is what has me confused.
You agreed to binding arbitration and now you're doing everything you can to prevent its implementation. Your antics deserve every bit of vitriol received.So again, what has the East line pilot done to them that elicits such vitriol and hate?
“Didn't the East file a lawsuit against the West?”
“the east guys, including you, just don't get it.”
One MEC raising a legal question with another MEC is no reason for the two MECs to hate each other, much less a reason for the two line pilot groups to hate each other. No one can deny another their legal options, much less feel justified in hating them for availing themselves of the law.
I freely admit I don’t get the hate and vitriol of the West. And frankly the West has no obligation to explain themselves. If they feel no need to justify their personal attacks then I accept their freedom to be tightlipped or snippy about it. But if they expect the East to understand their position and expect the East to do something to help them through their period of anger then they are going to have to explain what it is that we can do for them.
Turtle, you can't ignore the perception taken from being sued. You call it a "legal question" but others see it as an attack.
hate - vitriol - ill will - poisonous - hate - hate - will will - hateful - vitriol - hate -anger - erupted - batsheit - vitriol - hate - hate - hate - hate - vitriol - hate - hate - and hate. Feel free to correct me if I missed something in your posts in this thread.
Maybe you need to stop trying to spin the issue, stop mis-characterizing, stop trying to paint the issues with emotions.
I would like to take your arguments seriously, but at face value, they are nothing more than an attempt at misdirection. Can you make an argument without all of the divisive language?
Nobody at AWA hates the East. Your “Vitriol and Hate” … only you think we Hate you. Not true by a 100 miles.
What have we lost? Here are a few. No AWA guys can go to the 190 IAW the Transition Agreement because you want to stonewall integration so as many of your FOs can upgrade to Captain system wide. The Transition Agreement was another one of those small little business agreements we had. In writing and we shook hands over it. But now you want to stall its implementation.
No AWA hiring has occurred so that we could recall your 1800 dudes. Every Furloughed Dude at US Air had an opportunity to return to work; meanwhile, 2.5 years later, Dave Odell is still last on our list. We sacrificed our absorption of new hires to get as many of our new East brothers back to work as quickly as possible.
…You want every East FO to upgrade to Captain..