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http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=aHcvfTliWslA&refer=uk


Virgin to Order More Than 100 Planes From Airbus, Observer Says


May 2 (Bloomberg) -- Virgin Group Ltd., the company owned by billionaire Richard Branson, is to order more than 100 airplanes from Airbus SAS for its new low-cost U.S. airline, the Observer reported, without saying where it got its information.

Virgin will buy a mix of Airbus A319 and A320 planes in a transaction that may be worth more than $3 billion, the Observer said. The transaction will be financed by Gecas, the leasing division of General Electric Co., it said.

Fred Reid, the chief executive of the airline, currently known as Virgin USA, will unveil the details in New York this week, the Observer said.

He is expected to announce the delivery of 30 planes in the 18 months following the airline's launch, likely to be in the first quarter of next year, the newspaper said. Up to 100 more will be optioned over the following three to five year period, it said.

(Observer, 05-02, Business Section, 1)

For the newspaper's Web site, see {TGDN <GO>}



To contact the reporter on this story:
John Beresford-Peirse in London [email protected]

To contact the editor of this story:
Catherine Hickley, or [email protected]
 
Wow, if this is true Virgin will become the test for JetBlue and the single largest competition it will face. Southwest may also feel the heat but I'm sure not as much.
 
Not to mention all the majors, perhaps in an even worse way, since now you have Virgin USA connecting with Virgin Atlantic. As a matter of fact, the LCC's is probably better suited to meet this "attack" than most of the majors.

Although, one still have to look at VirginExpress, not exactly stellar perfomance!

Just my 1/2 cent.
 
COEX-FO said:
Wow, if this is true Virgin will become the test for JetBlue and the single largest competition it will face. Southwest may also feel the heat but I'm sure not as much.


Just a little free advice- take some time to think about the issue before you post.

The smart money says that LCC's do not go head-to-head with LCC's; there are way too many routes served only by "Legacy" carriers that an LCC can make money on, so why on earth would they decide instead to go head-to-head on a route that already has a low price and plenty of LCC competition?

Hello, McFly, anyone home?
 
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SkyWest said:
Hey TryWeed,

were you born an A&&hole?



Oh, geez, you really hurt my feelings this time. . . . . and you made a "funny" from my name! I feel so humiliated.

That's alright, though, I like interacting with today's youth. What are ya, about 12?
 
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You've got to love those unwarranted anonymous attacks on these message boards from people who don't agree with you.

Ty: People may not always agree with your posts, but they are always well-thought and insightful. Same goes for General Lee and even ..... well ..... okay, even Timdebuilder.

People who use profanity and attack arguments with one-word insults usually suffer from SGS.
 
ATR-DRIVR said:
What part of his post would warrant that response?
Most people who have seen the movie, and many that haven't, consider "Hello, McFly, anyone home?" to be a degrading remark.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, and not all who disagree with Ty are clueless.

:)
 
>>>lo&er<<<

What, now we're concerned that "loser" will be edited?

Unless he meant "loner". We all know how damaging THAT can be to the psyche.

Other possibilities....

Loder (Kurt?)
Lofer (close, but no cigar)
Loger (a famous German Pistol of WWII. Sort of.)
Loper (as in "inter-"?)
Lover (not likely)
Lower (In the verb form, possibly, as in "lower the bar")
Loyer (as in... First, let's drown all the... LOL)
Lozer (not a surprising misspelling around these parts)

Sorry. Time for some more of that Ritalin.

Again.
 
IPF, LOL

TY,
COEXFO has a point in that this will involve us all, but not right at the start. But it will feel very strong attacks from all LCC's and the Old Gaurd. This is not Europe and I doubt any of the majors want to let it take hold as did JBLU, AAI and SWA. My.0000002 cents
 
Does anyone know if Virgin is taking resumes. How about any other info, like expected pay and the like. I read where Virgin Atlantic guys don't get paid well, just curious... Thanks
 
Furlough dude

I read where Virgin Atlantic guys don't get paid well

This operation is NOT an extension of VS even though it will most likely feed in to the major gateway cities.

It's somewhat difficult to compare salaries especially across international boundaries. Just one example of commodity pricing - we bitch about the price of gas being way too high at $2+ a gallon. Well, try $6 or more in EU! Airline salaries also are not what they once were and probably will not be for a very long time. Yes, money is important but I would be more interested in lifestyle issues, the corporate culture and the longevity of an operation of this type in what is already a dog-eat-dog market. After all, it's no good earning 6 figures for a year or two and then find your services are no longer required. Also, while I don't wish to sound all gloom and doom, I have been around this industry long enough to know and sometimes even experience that what sometimes sounds too good to be true, usually is.

If it comes about, it will be an individual choice but you should all do your homework first. Branson is a very erstwhile businessman and most of his companies are successful, some more than others. A job within the Virgin Group may not be everyone's cup of tea but it may well beat some of the other alternatives out there. Sure it's a risk, but then so is life.

No, they are not taking resumes. There is no website up and running and their start up date has been pushed back at least three times so far, so I would not hold my breath. But then, this is the norm for most start ups. If you can wait another 8-10 months on furlough and you have nothing better, then maybe it's worth a shot.

;)
 
Hi!

The press release from SWA that I read talking about PHL is that SWA is NOT competing against USAir, and in fact, they hope that USAir holds on, at least for a while.

SWA is most worried about competing against the other LCC-those with similar operating costs and fares as SWA.

If USAir stays in PHL, then they take up a bunch of gates that other LCC's can't come in and use against SWA.

CLiff
DTW
 
100 more on the pile

i guess the pie is gonna get smaller and smaller.

you have virginusa adding 100
airtran adding 100
jetblue adding 100
southwest 90 to 100
us air , well maybe
mesa adding 100
asa/comair adding 100? approx

of course they may ever take delivery of all these. but somone is gonna get hosed.
 
Climb Happy :

We would be elated to hear the news of a hundred new airplanes, but last I read, ASA might get another 25 and we have 19 ATR's that have expiring leases. That is a net increase of 6 and darn close to the same number of seats.

Comair is close to the end of their deliveries of CRJ's.

~~~^~~~
 
Re: 100 more on the pile

climbhappy said:
i guess the pie is gonna get smaller and smaller.

you have virginusa adding 100
airtran adding 100
jetblue adding 100
southwest 90 to 100
us air , well maybe
mesa adding 100
asa/comair adding 100? approx

of course they may ever take delivery of all these. but somone is gonna get hosed.

Can you say consolidation?
It's gonna happen......again.
 
B6busdriver,

I can see that too---but do you think you will see it on the LCC side? I can see some Majors doing it (like DL and CO), but what about Jetblue aquiring somebody? (Like AWA or F9) That would be interesting.

Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes:
 
i think ATA is in trouble..just lost over $5.00per share. forogt the net loss. can they get 717s in place? is there room in the market for them, if they're not efficient?
 
General Lee said:
B6busdriver,

I can see that too---but do you think you will see it on the LCC side? I can see some Majors doing it (like DL and CO), but what about Jetblue aquiring somebody? (Like AWA or F9) That would be interesting.

Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes:

It seems to me it is going to happen with the legacy carriers as well as the LCC's. On the LCC side with Southwest,JetBlue,Air Tran,Frontier,America West,ATA,Spirit,Independance Air, and now Virgin something is going to have to give. Virigin has tremendous brand power so it will probably do well. Independance Air is the biggest question mark of the bunch. They are going to have to be able to get a revenue premium to make those rj's profitable. ATA seems to be having some financial woes but they have the lowest CASM in the industry. If they get tose 717's perhaps things will turn around a bit. It certainly will be "interesting" over the next few years to say the least.
On the leagacy side if US Airways tanks that will free things up a bit. If that happens I'm sure the majors will pull the mothballs out of those airplanes in the desert so fast it will make the recalled furlughees heads spin. Maybe there will be more of a merger than an aquisition due to the current economic state of the big 6 carriers. I'm not sure how that works in the financial world though.
 

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