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UK's Branson plans budget U.S. airline
Wed July 16, 2003 09:44 AM ET
(Adds size of planned fleet, Virgin Blue float plans)
By Daniel Morrissey

LONDON, July 16 (Reuters) - Virgin Group [VA.UL] Chairman Richard Branson announced plans on Wednesday to set up a "quality low-cost" airline in the United States by the end of June 2004 to rival JetBlue JBLU.O and Southwest LUV.N .

"We are planning to get in there and make sure there is a third, very powerful low-cost airline in America," Branson said. Virgin would own under 50 percent to meet U.S. aviation laws.

He also forecast that Australian discount carrier Virgin Blue PRK.AX would float in October or November and he saw a pick-up in the London-U.S. market for first-class and business-class passengers after the worst downturn in years.

"The premium traffic is coming back. SARS is behind us, the recession is beginning to be behind us and there is a lot more activity out there," he said. "The Gulf War is also behind us."

Branson made the comments at the unveiling of a new premium class service for transatlantic carrier Virgin Atlantic. He said the ticket, including the industry's most spacious beds, could attract five percent of business-class and 12 percent of first-class travellers from arch rival British Airways BAY.L .

The service will be launched after the summer, coinciding with BA's withdrawal of its fleet of Concorde luxury supersonic aircraft. Branson dressed up as the lead character from horror movie The Texas Chainsaw Massacre to chop through a BA seat.

Branson, whose interests span music, trains and telecoms, said the planned U.S. budget airline would be set up along the same lines as Virgin Blue.

After a modest start of 10-15 planes the fleet would grow to about 30 aircraft within 18 months, Branson said. A number of institutional partners would be involved in the venture.

Under U.S. law, foreign companies are only allowed to own 25 percent of voting rights in a U.S. airline and an economic interest of up to 49 percent. However, last month U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta urged Congress to raise foreign ownership limits to 49 percent of voting stock.

Branson said he hoped that the United States would permit clauses within the U.S. airline's structure that would result in Virgin taking control should ownership laws be relaxed. By owning less than 50 percent of the company, Virgin would depart from its strategy of controlling the firms it invests in.

The planned airline would be started from scratch, Branson said. "Our philosophy is that (is) the best way to build a company."

He said no decision had been made on whether the airline would use Boeing BA.N or Airbus EAD.PA aircraft.
 
May have to change the name..........we all know ACA got screwed!

Maybe paint the planes off-white.
 
acaTerry said:
Can you say.....cabotage?
That's an important issue. My many times wrong crystal ball is that ACA will be smarter this time and have a lot of flying going on for a variety of other airlines. Not just one. Maybe Virgin will be a percentage of the business that the laws of cabotage allow?
 
I read somewhere that Virgin Atlantic 747 pilots out of London are the lowest paid 747 pilots in Europe. The article said that the flight attendants are paid about $11,000 a year (in pounds obviously---so maybe $9,500 pounds?) but, that Branson always puts them up on layovers in very nice hotels and resorts. The morale over there supposedly sucks. Hey, they can bring that type of airline over here and we'll love it!!!(Oh wait, morale over here sucks too ---except at jetblue, Mesa, and Southwest)


Bye Bye--General Lee:cool: :rolleyes: ;) :p
 
Hey, we have already proven that there are PLENTY of pilots in the US willing to work for LESS and LESS money - right? No wonder Branson is super-excited to set up an airline here.... We'll work for less than the Australian pilots....

Branson should give phone and CD discounts to all Mesa, Skywest and Chataquah pilots out there - they deserve it! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Heavy Set said:


Branson should give phone and CD discounts to all Mesa, Skywest and Chataquah pilots out there - they deserve it! !!!!!

So now we're crapping on a pilot group that is fighting tooth-and-nail for a raise, has voted to strike, and is losing flying b/c they refuse to sign concessions - an airline like CHQ.

Either YOU know something nobody else does, or you are totally misinformed (let me guess, you keep up on the facts by reading these forums huh :))

We need to all work together to get anywhere in this current economic climate. You choose to crap on 3 groups of pilots who have done nothing to you (your managment and theirs might have, but the pilots wish you only the best and offer any open seat to you as a jumpseat).

-Boo!
 

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