Virgin America

[Torpid]

A bunch of guys are going to go start training here in Dec. Anybody know the current pay and what there plans are for routes? What are they saying in the interviews to make guys give up their seniority to come work for them?

(Please.....no bashing or complaining about how they will lower the bar. I'm looking for facts. Thanks)

 

[skiandsurf]

I'm looking for facts. Thanks)

You have come to the wrong place....just kidding.

Look back on this board about a week agos date. 2 or 3 pages worth.

.....I bumped it to the front page for you.

 

[Torpid]

Thanks skiandsurf. Out of about 70 posts on that thread, 5 have any substance to them (which is about right on for flightinfo). Just trying to get some new info from new hires over there and what they are being told during the interview.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Captain is 95hr for the bus. That's about half of what a SWA pilot makes. I'm sure the skybus people are doing it to get to SWA anyway.

 

[jetpig32]

Saw them in JFK past few days. Virgin America. Believe it!

 

[AA717driver]

Possibly doing the "time and a half over 70 hours" thing. I believe $2500/mo. in training. After that, $95 x 70 until they start up. That's for the direct entry CA's.

An acquaintance got hired the other day. It's a good deal for him--LCC FO (he has several types and well over 10,000 hours) to VA CA. TC

 

[Rogue5]

I posted this on the LCC thread earlier:

Second interview class for F.O.s had four of seven from SKYW. First interview had five.

First actual class of F.O.s was six total. Five were from SKYW.

 

[boknowsASA]

what I was told: capt $95hr/ $5 raise every year. F/o $45hr and $5 raise every year. You will find Guarantee around 82-84 hours.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

what I was told: capt $95hr/ $5 raise every year. F/o $45hr and $5 raise every year. You will find Guarantee around 82-84 hours.

What!!:angryfire

 

[NTS ALL 4]

what I was told: capt $95hr/ $5 raise every year. F/o $45hr and $5 raise every year. You will find Guarantee around 82-84 hours.

Boy, US Air Captains on the E190 will make more than that.

I think I'll go back to active duty Air Force and take my chances at getting shot at every couple of years. At least I'll be paid like a pilot.

Good luck at VA.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Boy, US Air Captains on the E190 will make more than that.

I think I'll go back to active duty Air Force and take my chances at getting shot at every couple of years. At least I'll be paid like a pilot.

Good luck at VA.

What, you gotta be kidding; I left the Air Force after 11 years and was making at best $70000-- add up all your additional duties which will outdo your flying hours, and you're doing no better than driving the Q10 bus around New York City (of course they make around $50000). I'm sorry I don't "walk the line" like all of you spoiled boat and airplane owners with a mistress on the side, but airline life isn't all that bad compared to the military-- when I'm home, I'm home and I work a whopping 15 days a month with no additional duties. Don't let the secret out, this job is way to easy!!!

 

[Tomct]

Rogue, should we be surprised that the first pilots for a "NonUnion" LCC would come from Skywst?

 

[thruthemurk]

What, you gotta be kidding; I left the Air Force after 11 years and was making at best $70000-- add up all your additional duties which will outdo your flying hours, and you're doing no better than driving the Q10 bus around New York City (of course they make around $50000). I'm sorry I don't "walk the line" like all of you spoiled boat and airplane owners with a mistress on the side, but airline life isn't all that bad compared to the military-- when I'm home, I'm home and I work a whopping 15 days a month with no additional duties. Don't let the secret out, this job is way to easy!!!

I guess you are one of the guys who ended up in the left seat of the bus in short order. Though you are underpaid for your seat - you are making decent money for such a pitifully short time in the business. Talk to anybody hired at jetblue in the last 2 1/2 -3 years and you might find a different story. Still making less than 70,000$ with no retirement and sh!t health care.

If it wasn't all about you, you might understand shy the business has fallen so far.

 

[skiandsurf]

Don't let the secret out, this job is way to easy!!!

Thanks. This is just what management wants to hear. You are an idiot.

 

[OK3]

Blue Bayou,
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I don't think you have really thought this pay thing through. In the military you are paid a salary, it was more that 70k if you were in for 11 years like you said, more like 90k. In addition to that, you were working toward a 20 year pension. I'll be conservative and say that the pension was worth an additional 20k, a year. You had medical benefits, they were worth another 6-7 k a year. You were also going to promote, so the pay was only going up.
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In the airlines you have your hourly pay, and at most airlines, that's it. Maybe some profit sharing. Add to that the fact that we have almost no job security, far different than in the military. When someone takes a bigger risk they demand a greater reward, as in the stock market. We take a risk working in this industry and should also be compensated for it. People hear this hourly number and think we make a lot. I think we should include all the hours we spend away from home and include that and see what we are really paid an hour.
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Posts like yours are exactly what management wants to hear, you damage our profession with that type of talk. Before you write back and tell me if I don't like it I can quit; I do like it but not enough to do it for free. I just think we deserve a good wage, and 70-80K to be an A-320 CA is not a good wage.​

 

[Gregorio]

In the military you are paid a salary, it was more that 70k if you were in for 11 years like you said, more like 90k. In addition to that, you were working toward a 20 year pension. I'll be conservative and say that the pension was worth an additional 20k, a year. You had medical benefits, they were worth another 6-7 k a year.​

Sorry, but I disagree with you. I stayed in the Marine Corps 10 years 2 months, and the year before I got out I earned around 60K. You might make 90K if you got a bonus, but the Marine Corps didn't generally give those when I was around, that was pretty much for Navy and Air Force guys. The pension isn't worth anything, since most of us don't stay 20 years and it's not transferrable. Medical benefits are pretty much comparable to the military at any job you'll find in the majors. I'm not defending everything he said, but you're exaggerating the compensation you'll get in the military from my experience.​

 

[Andy]

OK, let's go with an O-3 over 8:
Taxable monthly pay:
Base Pay: $4728.90
Flight Pay: $650.00
Total taxable: $5378.90

Nontaxable monthly pay:
BAS: $187.49
BAH: $906.00 (no dependents; Del Rio, TX - one of the lowest rates)
Total nontaxable: $1093.49

With the tax advantages of the nontaxable income, you'd need to make more than $6750 taxable/mo to match that salary, or $81,000/yr.

 

[OK3]

Well, my point was that at around 85 and hour I am making the same take home pay I was in the military as an O-4. Having said that, I think that an A-320 CA should make more than that. When people say "I only work 15 days a month", I think it sounds better than it is. "Normal" people work 20 days a month, but are home every night, don't have check rides twice a year, or physicals. Fail either of those and your career is done. Those are risks that go with the profession, and we should be paid for taking them.
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