Virgin America in the news

[Flopgut]

Cool. I've had the pleasure of working with a handful of ex-ATA guys at my former carrier - one went on to VA as well.

For all that happened to those guys with the collapse of their company, they took their lumps pretty well - all were a class act.

Class acts, indeed.

And just think, the ATA guys could have been stapled to the America West list and told how lucky they are to be Westicles. Because America West saves everybody. Just ask a westicle.

This guy and his contemporaries^^^^Not so much

 

[Movin' on up!]

Any ideas as to when VA will hire? I heard soon after the IPO but....

 

[waveflyer]

Speaking of the IPO. I HEARD THE PILOTS GOT F^CKED ON THAT.....

Truth?

 

[DCAA320]

Any ideas as to when VA will hire? I heard soon after the IPO but....

Well no huge expansion plans so they will hire as attrition increases.

 

[LearLove]

They saved your a----

FYI I don't work at the new American

No. LOA93 and the sacrifices made by LUS pilots, FAs, mechanics, ramp and gate agents, ect. saved us. And not to forget the pain the WO groups (ALG and PDT- up yours PSA) experienced as well.

 

[pilotpm]

Speaking of the IPO. I HEARD THE PILOTS GOT F^CKED ON THAT.....

Truth?

Very true! The good news is we very little fence sitters anymore.

 

[HDA]

Speaking of the IPO. I HEARD THE PILOTS GOT F^CKED ON THAT.....

Truth?

I would disagree that the pilots got "f^cked" in the IPO. There was never anything in writing from the company as to how the IPO was going to pay out. The hopes and wishes of the pilot group turned out to be just a little better than the crap in their other hand. The officers of the company had their IPO proceeds on an employment contract. The pilots did not so they got whatever the officers and BOD deemed they would get.
So no, they did not get f^cked. I hope they learned a big fat lesson. I am sure most of the pilot group at VA is done with the red koolaid, it had a 7 year shelf life.

 

[Andy]

I would disagree that the pilots got "f^cked" in the IPO. There was never anything in writing from the company as to how the IPO was going to pay out. The hopes and wishes of the pilot group turned out to be just a little better than the crap in their other hand. The officers of the company had their IPO proceeds on an employment contract. The pilots did not so they got whatever the officers and BOD deemed they would get.
So no, they did not get f^cked. I hope they learned a big fat lesson. I am sure most of the pilot group at VA is done with the red koolaid, it had a 7 year shelf life.

I read most of VX's financial information out there prior to the two restructurings and the employees were allotted a fairly large chunk of the company stock. It appears that after the restructurings, the employee portion of the company stock took a HUGE haircut. I don't know how public that information was, but I was shocked when I saw how poorly the employees fared on the IPO.

VX's management would make Lorenzo and Smisek proud.

 

[Tomct]

HDA....you can stick your smart AZZ remark right up your own AZZ!!

We got screwed and the company is going to pay for it....ROYALLY!!

 

[waveflyer]

HDA....you can stick your smart AZZ remark right up your own AZZ!!

We got screwed and the company is going to pay for it....ROYALLY!!

A bit late for the tough talk.

Would've been better for pilots not to be so damn naive in the first place.

I signed a contract to rent a table saw for a day. Every rental car I've ever bought and gym membership and cell phone I've ever had. I signed a contract bigger than the bible to buy my first house. Yet there are still pilots who operate without one, even though their workplace is the single largest financial impact of their lives and what they use to pay for every other contract they sign. I don't get that strictly as a matter of business.

It's inexcusably dumb for any group that chooses this as a profession.

Why does it take getting f^cked really hard to come to the same conclusion that pilot groups worldwide have eventually come to over the last 100 years?
There is a century of history to draw from. Generations of experience, and you want to reinvent the wheel?? This time it's different??

Get to it. I support your union drive. Make them pay, but don't tell me. I'm from Missourri on these kinds of things.

I'm very sorry that you all got f^cked. Unfortunately, I also have enough friends over there to know that VA has put the tip in more than a few times. must be so frustrating for those of you who knew better all along.