Victor airways ......?

[A Squared]

....... you are not getting my point..

You're right, I don't think I'm getting your point. What *is* your point?
That many people don't know the correct answer to a simple question which is easy to look up?


As nearly as i can tell, the question came up at your flight school, and many people didn't know the correct answer...sooooo you posted the question here for what reason?

 

[paulsalem]

are they true or magnetic course? ... Discuss..

That is not a complete sentence.

I can't belive how dumb you are.

(see thread: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=70603)

 

[FlyingToIST]

That is not a complete sentence.

I can't belive how dumb you are.

(see thread: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=70603)

Yep, I am really dumb.. Since you said it, it must be a fact..

 

[FlyingToIST]

As nearly as i can tell, the question came up at your flight school, and many people didn't know the correct answer...sooooo you posted the question here for what reason?

What part of "disscusss " you don't get?

You don't encourage dizcussion in the ground school, among your students? That is one of the best ways to learn..

I am sure my purpose would be served much better if some other people replied with "It's magnetic and this is the reason why" .. "here's the reference" .. type of discussion subject..

Don't tell me that you have these kind of grey area discussions... like the examples i gave above...

Some people did, some people didn't.. kudos to the ones that did..

 

[paulsalem]

Yep, I am really dumb.. Since you said it, it must be a fact..

Can I quote you on that?

 

[b82rez]

This is another topic like :
- Do you log PIC if you are working on your instrument rating when you are a private pilot?
- Does your CFI qualify as a BFR?
- Do I log X-C time if I am flying from and to an airport that is less than <50 miles?

yes
yes
no

Fun stuff

 

[MauleSkinner]

ASquared, or anybody else that might be familiar with higher latitudes, when the airways go to "true" courses way up north, are they still victor airways, or do they call 'em something else? Or are they all NDB airways?

I don't have a chart handy, and I can't find anything other than where it says "other than Alaska" in the AIM.

Thanks

David

 

[DC8 Flyer]

ASquared, or anybody else that might be familiar with higher latitudes, when the airways go to "true" courses way up north, are they still victor airways, or do they call 'em something else? Or are they all NDB airways?

I don't have a chart handy, and I can't find anything other than where it says "other than Alaska" in the AIM.

Thanks

David

Victor airways, jet airways are US names for routes. Up north when they become true or even grid airways they have names like AR5 instead of J15 or V23. Europe use UL34 (upper level) etc.

 

[minitour]

This is another topic like :
- Do you log PIC if you are working on your instrument rating when you are a private pilot?
- Does your CFI qualify as a BFR?
- Do I log X-C time if I am flying from and to an airport that is less than <50 miles?

Yes
It can
Yes

-mini

 

[A Squared]

ASquared, or anybody else that might be familiar with higher latitudes, when the airways go to "true" courses way up north, are they still victor airways, or do they call 'em something else? Or are they all NDB airways?

I don't have a chart handy, and I can't find anything other than where it says "other than Alaska" in the AIM.

Thanks

David

I don't know that any low altitude airways go to true course. I've flown in and out of Barrow, and the airways are magnetic there. It doesn't get any further North in the US that that. The high altitude polar routes go to True courses, but those aren't Victor Airways.

 

[MauleSkinner]

Thanks A Squared and DC8!

David

 

[FlyingToIST]

ASquared, or anybody else that might be familiar with higher latitudes, when the airways go to "true" courses way up north, are they still victor airways, or do they call 'em something else? Or are they all NDB airways?

I don't have a chart handy, and I can't find anything other than where it says "other than Alaska" in the AIM.

Thanks

David

David,
AIM also states some airways in North Carolina. I am guessing those are the ones that go off shore between Florida and norhteast. (Not having the chart in my hand)..

 

[midlifeflyer]

ASquared,
I am not goint to get into a pissing match with you but you are not getting my point..

This is another topic like :
- Do you log PIC if you are working on your instrument rating when you are a private pilot?
- Does your CFI qualify as a BFR?
- Do I log X-C time if I am flying from and to an airport that is less than <50 miles?

Well, it's a =little= different. Those last three questions might have correct answers, but the correct answers were the result of a substantial amount of brainwork interpreting a series of formalistic regulations - the correct answer comes down to which opinion ultimately won.

The question of whether a victor airway is true or magnetic was settled, not by a battle of opinions, but by the way the system was designed.

I really have to agree with A Squared on this. It may depend a little on what part of the country you are in (no, this is not a "redneck" joke) but the idea of, for example, a bunch of CFIs in California thinking that once you've intercepted the 180 radial you turn to 014 to track it inbound =is= a little bit scary.

 

[FlyingToIST]

Well, it's a =little= different. Those last three questions might have correct answers, but the correct answers were the result of a substantial amount of brainwork interpreting a series of formalistic regulations - the correct answer comes down to which opinion ultimately won.

The question of whether a victor airway is true or magnetic was settled, not by a battle of opinions, but by the way the system was designed.

I really have to agree with A Squared on this. It may depend a little on what part of the country you are in (no, this is not a "redneck" joke) but the idea of, for example, a bunch of CFIs in California thinking that once you've intercepted the 180 radial you turn to 014 to track it inbound =is= a little bit scary.

Mark,
not really.. I buy your argument for the second question, but the answers for 1 and 3 are crystal clear.

For instance , FARs have the definition of a cross country flight. Wrong impression is the fault of the pilots, not the misinterpretation of the CFIs or their students.

But that doesn't mean that these subjects are the usual suspects when there is a discussion about it..

 

[Jim Dandy]

They are magnetic. It is sad to see that the requirements to become a professional pilot have gotten so weak that these types of questions even need to be asked. Have you ever read the AIM or the FARs or looked at an IFR chart of any kind?

It very sad when you say there are many of you at this "flight school" who don't know the answer. Please tell me you're not a CFI or CFII, please tell me you only have your private.

You talk about starting a discussion on the topic, maybe while we're at it we can start discussing if the earth is round or flat, or if rock is heavier then air, those are some topics open for debate.