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lowecur

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You wonder why the push is on to get scopes settled for the 190 at DL & AMR? B6 has the right idea. The 190 will eventually create more feasible economics around JFK. By creating more non-stop service with their 190's from upstate NY to FL, this will free up JFK for more O&D traffic. B6 will turn all their Florida cities into huge focus markets for them. FLL will increase by January to 24 flts per day from NYC, and PBI is going to 14 flts per day from the present 5. You can see why the FAA wants new runways at both airports. They will probably created a 190 base in some place like STL, for service from upstate and other small cities to the West Coast, in lieu of going through JFK. This will begin to put pressure on WN to add direct flts from ALB & BUF, but they won't be able to make money with the 737 on those routes.:)


June 27, 2004

AIRLINES SEE BIG OPPORTUNITY IN IN SERVING SMALL CITIES WITH SMALL PLANES

Although it may seem a bit loopy at a time when United Airlines is looking for a federal bailout and Delta Air Lines Inc. is threatening bankruptcy, but some of the best minds in the aviation business see bright skies ahead.

Without exception, the optimists are thinking small.

JetBlue Airways Corp. is looking to a 100-passenger airplane made by Brazil's Embraer that will allow it to serve smaller cities at a fraction of the fares that major carriers (such as Delta and UAL Corp.'s United) and even regional players now charge. JetBlue is ponying up $3 billion to buy 100 of Embraer's new plane, the ERJ 190, and has options on 100 more. Deliveries start next year.

JetBlue, the lowest of low-cost carriers, is taking the next step in the evolution of this segment of the airline industry, a category that includes veteran Southwest Airlines Co. and America West Holdings Corp., as well as relative newcomers AirTran Holdings Inc., Frontier Airlines Inc. and Independence Air parent Atlantic Coast Airlines Holdings Inc.

All told, the discount lines have gobbled up 29% of the U.S. passenger market and are the only growing slice of the $70-billion airline business.

But even more than their rapid growth, it is the strategy of JetBlue and the others that represents a profound shift in direction for U.S. aviation. Fly with these folks, and you're going to find more frequent direct flights to more places — many of them relatively short hops.

JetBlue, for example, sees the ERJ 190 giving it the ability to serve Norfolk, Va., nonstop from Boston or New York for $69 one way, a steep discount from prevailing fares on those routes. "We look to markets generating 600 passengers per day — a third to a half the volume of major cities," JetBlue spokesman Gareth Edmondson-Jones explains.

Other low-cost carriers are following the same approach. AirTran Chairman Joe Leonard boasts of launching nonstop service from Moline/Quad Cities, Ill., to Las Vegas. AirTran flies the Boeing 717, a 100-passenger jet that was adapted (with a new, more efficient engine) from the McDonnell Douglas DC-9.



Driving the trend, in large part, is congestion at the nation's big airports. The Transportation Department released a study Friday showing that Chicago, New York and Atlanta's airports are among those operating at capacity. Their choices are limited: They must find ways to expand or shove traffic to other landing sites.

"It's a mess," says Bruce Holmes, the director of a decade-old effort by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to reform the air transport system. As a result of that work, a major government report due out late this year will try to set a new course for American aviation.

And where will it lead?

Precisely along the path being adopted by the low-cost carriers: more direct flights to more airports in more varieties of aircraft.

"We want to change the way people travel from one place to another," Holmes says.

He notes that most of the 4,000 or so airports in the U.S. are underutilized. Yet many don't have the traffic-control equipment to allow instrument landings. Nor can they afford to install it.

"But what if we put the electronic intelligence and controls inside the airplane, rather than in the airport?" he muses. Were that to happen, small-town airports could suddenly handle a lot more flights, relieving congestion and giving travelers myriad choices.

Other notables have also been swept up by the idea of ferrying people on quick point-to-point flights. Donald Burr, whose airline People Express pioneered the low-cost model in the early 1980s, and Robert Crandall, the former bare-knuckles boss of American Airlines parent AMR Corp., are helping to finance another air-taxi company. As yet unnamed, this firm will fly planes made by Adam Aircraft.

Certainly, not everyone is enamored of the concept. Michael E. Levine, a former top executive at three airlines who teaches law at Yale University, calls the enthusiasm "romance, sheer romance." He questions, in particular, whether a 100-seat plane can be flown as economically as a larger aircraft where the costs are spread over more passengers.

Yet JetBlue estimates that the ERJ 190 will operate at a cost only a penny more per available seat mile — a standard industry measure — than its 156-passenger A320.

Even the big guys are thinking smaller. Boeing Co.'s new 7E7, which is starting to attract orders, is a 250-seat aircraft designed to answer the A380, a 500-seat behemoth made by European rival Airbus.

And why pit David against Goliath?

Boeing's thinking is that more direct flights from, say, Osaka to Mumbai will be the kind of service that busy travelers will demand in the future.

When it comes to the airline business these days, small really is beautiful.
 
Everything old is new again. Look at any old airline route map from the 50's or 60's and this is exactly what they did.
 
lowecur said:
AirTran Chairman Joe Leonard boasts of launching nonstop service from Moline/Quad Cities, Ill., to Las Vegas. AirTran flies the Boeing 717, a 100-passenger jet that was adapted (with a new, more efficient engine) from the McDonnell Douglas DC-9.
Ironically, Airtran has already announced the cancellation of this route in September.
 
yaks

yaks said:
Everything old is new again. Look at any old airline route map from the 50's or 60's and this is exactly what they did.
I remember taking the Connie's and DC-7B's from ROC and SYR with family members to MIA back in the mid 60's. Then Eastern brought the Electra II's, and in the 70's they started the L-1011's for a few years with a stop in PHL. There hasn't been a n/s to S. Florida until TransMeridian started the seasonal to FLL from SYR last year. I think MDA may beat B6 with a few n/s to MCO, and FLL from SYR at the start of the winter season with 170's. Once B6 starts their 190's with IFE, they may be tough to compete with.
 

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