VA deferring aircraft deliveries

[NEDude]

While JetBlue did a few test flights, nothing became of this. However, over at Delta, about the same time, they got FAA approval to exceed the 16 hour duty limit to operate their JFK-BOM flight.

That is okay, Delta is an ALPA, legacy carrier - they can do no wrong.

 

[Fubijaakr]

That is okay, Delta is an ALPA, legacy carrier - they can do no wrong.

The difference is Delta got FAA approval. B6 got a wink and a nod from their POI and then FLEW revenue passenger flights illegally. There's a big difference, even though you can't understand it.

 

[bluechunks]

While JetBlue did a few test flights, nothing became of this. However, over at Delta, about the same time, they got FAA approval to exceed the 16 hour duty limit to operate their JFK-BOM flight.

Yeah, just ignore the big issue: there was no FAA guidance for >16 hr flights because up to then there was no commercial airliner that had the legs for >16 hr segments. Add in the fact that DAL was using a full crew complement with an ACTUAL dedicated pilot rest compartment (not the jumpseat or an economy seat like JB) and it's pretty easy to see why the FAA ruled the way they did for DAL.

The irony when a JB crew involved with the test fell asleep (as reported by the medical monitoring equipment they were wearing) and and used "fatigue" in a FAA ASAP report was not lost on many.

 

[NEDude]

The difference is Delta got FAA approval. B6 got a wink and a nod from their POI and then FLEW revenue passenger flights illegally. There's a big difference, even though you can't understand it.

Apparently you forgot this post you just made:

Amen to that. Personally, I wish the "experiment" had never taken place. Pilot Unions (not just ALPA) have fought for flight time/duty time limits, WOCL limits and adequate rest requirements for 75 years only to ALMOST having the whole thing undone by a bunch of rah-rah non-Union jamokes trying to kiss up to jetBlue management. And why did they do it? Because AT THE TIME the wage rate was such that maxing out on overtime was the only way to come close to Legacy wages.

An ALPA carrier petitioned the FAA to extend the 16 hour duty and was successful. Why did ALPA not stand up and fight against this? I thought pilot unions "have fought for flight time/duty time limits, WOCL limits and adequate rest requirements for 75 years". Or was this somehow the fault of "a bunch of rah-rah non-Union jamokes"?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Add in the fact that DAL was using a full crew complement with an ACTUAL dedicated pilot rest compartment (not the jumpseat or an economy seat like JB) and it's pretty easy to see why the FAA ruled the way they did for DAL.

Seriously, NEDude are you being purposely obtuse or are you just stupid? Read Chunky's quote. When properly crewed and rest facilities are available, long range flying is perfectly acceptable.

Again, I guess the facts don't matter once you swallow the red pill. Only the alternate reality that you so obviously subscribe to.

 

[suupah]

If oil prices continue their rise then VX is in trouble. Their stage length includes many transcons, something you don't want with high oil prices. They need to find some nice, profitable short routes to mix in with their current route structure.

Much easier to do in the NE then left coast.

 

[NEDude]

Seriously, NEDude are you being purposely obtuse or are you just stupid? Read Chunky's quote. When properly crewed and rest facilities are available, long range flying is perfectly acceptable.

Again, I guess the facts don't matter once you swallow the red pill. Only the alternate reality that you so obviously subscribe to.

Coming from the man who only has the ability to blame start-ups for the state of the profession, completely oblivious to the multiple factors - such as ALPA voting to outsource jobs to low paying regionals - it is pretty bold to accuse others of being 'stupid'.

You are the king of ignoring facts.

 

[Fubijaakr]

All I can tell you, Dude, is that my F/O observed (unprompted) that his neighbor, a VX Captain, makes LESS than he does.

That says it all.

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

All I can tell you, Dude, is that my F/O observed (unprompted) that his neighbor, a VX Captain, makes LESS than he does.

That says it all.

True story, until June.

 

[Lake Alice]

If you are going to point fingers do so in the direction of SWA. Jetblue did flights with the limited authority of a POI. What's SWA's excuse. Who else can wreck planes, skip maintenance and still get their POI/FAA to sign of on absolutely everything.