Using VORs to determine exact location

[air_chompers]

Really off the topic, but does anyone know where I can get some jetpilot uniforms? (BA and Delta and mabey NWA)

 

[A Squared]

Gentleman, it's just a recommendation, it's not a "set in stone" rule!!

Ummm, it's not merely just "not set in stone", it's wrong, as in Incorrect. I hope that you will stop teaching students this. Only 2 things will come of teaching this.

1) you will confuse your students, because they will be unable to understand why this is true (because it isn't)

or.

2) They will realize that you are wrong and ignore this.

Of these, the second is the most desirable outcome. Personally, I would not want to be teaching at a level at which the best I could possibly hope for is that the student will realize I'm wrong and disregard my teachings.

 

[UnAnswerd]

If you got FS2004, I recommend you do some practice triangulation using the airplane and VOR's.

I have it, but didn't know you could do that. I will certainly try it.

Thanks for the information!

 

[UnAnswerd]

Wasted effort here - Remember, you are flying the plane while you're doing all this twisting & turning. When the needle centered with a "TO" indication with 130 at the top, you only need look at the bottom of the OBS to read the reciprocal radial.

It is considered best habit to always get a "FROM" indication so that you don't get confused by randomly centering with either a "TO" or a "FROM", and then having to figure which way you're looking at it, so that is the way to center, with a "FROM", but sometimes, in bad weather, bumpy air, etc, if the needle centers on "TO", you can just look at the bottom of the OBS and get the "FROM" radial.

I figured that, but as you said, centering a second time with a "FROM" indication seems to be the recommended procedure. I guess as long as you understand how to interpret the indications, you shouldn't get confused with a "TO" indication. Thanks bringing that up.

 

[User546]

I have to respectfully disagree with you A_Squared.

There is nothing wrong with how I teach it. It was taught to me, and it has always worked. Whether I'm not conveying my thoughts clearly enough or what, I'll stand behind it 100%. And I dont think I'm wrong in saying that so would the majority of other CFI's that have learned and teach it this way.

 

[A Squared]

I have to respectfully disagree with you A_Squared.

I see. You can't expain in any rational manner why what you say is true, yet you insist that is.

There is nothing wrong with how I teach it.

Yes there is, it is 100% incorrect.

It was taught to me,

Of this I have no doubt, that doesn't make it true.

and it has always worked.

Ummm, no, it doesn't work, you don't just don't understand what you're talking about.

Whether I'm not conveying my thoughts clearly enough or what, I'll stand behind it 100%.

Right. I can't explain it, and I don't understand it, but d@mnit, I know I'm right. Perhaps instead of standing blindly behind what you've been taught, 100%, you sould seek to understand it and understand why it is wrong.

And I dont think I'm wrong in saying that so would the majority of other CFI's that have learned and teach it this way

Well, so far everyone who has commented n this, has told you you're wrong. That's not quite a "majority of other cfi's" agreeing with you.


Look, if you are so convinced that this is true, why don't you explain why it is so. Explain why VOR's which are east-west from each other are much better for determining you position that those which are north-south. I mean explain it, not just repeat that it is true because you were taught this and you now teach this yourself. I'm serious about this. If you're interested in convincing anyone, explain why this is true.

 

[VNugget]

Usser997, by your own admission (even BEFORE we correct you), you said you can't explain or put it into words well, so why are you arguing now that we clarified it for you? And why don't you explain what you have a problem with, instead of "I'm right, and you can't say otherwise, nyah nyah nyah"-ing at us?

 

[A Squared]

User997,

Still waiting for you to explain why east-west VOR pairs are better than North-south pairs. Should we interpret your silence as a tacit admission that you are wrong?

 

[FN FAL]

I still don't know why it would be more confusing or less confusing to use the TO or From orientation.

To takes you to the station...it's a bearing to the station.

From is the radial you are on from the station. Radials are from a VOR.

When you hold and shoot approaches do you keep the orientation FROM all the time to keep from being confused?

 

[VNugget]

I still don't know why it would be more confusing or less confusing to use the TO or From orientation.

Becase the FROM number is the radial, and you just draw the line on that raidal. If you use the TO number, you have to calculate the reciprocal first.

When you hold and shoot approaches do you keep the orientation FROM all the time to keep from being confused?

No one's saying anything about "all the time" anything. No approaches. We're just talking about drawing cross raidals.