Use of thrust reversers

[Tri-holer]

AAflyer

Actually the ones I flew were old American birds with the mighty -7 power. As I understand, the Post Office wanted us to use them in order to save money on fuel. Nevermind the fact that during the summer, we had to stay low cause we couldn't get up high and still go fast.

 

[trainerjet]

Tri-holer...

If I came across as being critical of your post, that was not my intention. I was just pointing out how we do things on the MD-80, and admitted knowing little about the operation of a 727.

I will admit to occasionally having a little fun by "flying" the nosewheel as long as possible...but only in ideal conditions. I once had an FO tell me while I was doing this that I need to get the nosewheel on the ground as quickly as possible, in case there was ice or snow on the runway. My response was that I would indeed do just that, IF there was ice or snow on the runway ( it happened to be a very nice 70 degree day).

Some of the older 737s had a lock-out to prevent selection of reverse thrust until the nosewheel was on the ground. I have a friend who flies the B717. He says it's the same on that airplane. Even so, I agree that you can still gently lower the nosewheel without incurring much of a delay in getting the reversers out.

As far as brakes vs. reverse, our company seems to prefer that we use idle reverse only, using primarily brakes (autobrakes) to slow during the landing roll. They say this reduces the possibliity of FOD damage. Obviously, runway length and conditions are a consideration.

 

[AAflyer]

-7s, WOW. I had flown -9s out of MIA hot and heavy on 9L. I swear I saw people's faces in the cars on Lejuene RD we were so low. Can only imagine if we had coughed an engine. YIKES!!

AAflyer

 

[Clownpilot]

I am against

Reversers are overrated and I refuse to use them.

In fact I believe thrust reversers are the work of the devil. They take a perfectly good engine producing thrust and make it do the opposite of its intended job.

I do now and will always boycott thrust reversers.

Please visit my website at http://www.banevilthrustreversers.com

I'm not crazy about brakes either. And spoilers suck.

Please post additional interesting items for me to comment on.

for instance:

You MUST brush your teeth using up and down stokes; NEVER side to side.

-7s, WOW. I had flown -9s out of MIA hot and heavy on 9L. I swear I saw people's faces in the cars on Lejuene RD we were so low. Can only imagine if we had coughed an engine. YIKES!!

AAflyer

 

[AAflyer]

Not sure what the hell my post has to do with you not using reverse thrust. I was talking about -9 and -7 engines, how underpowered they are.

As for not using reverse thrust. Take a look at your operating manual 1, approach and landing tab, pg. 40. Tell me what it says about reverse thrust.

I gotta hard time buying you fly for the same airline I do and get away without using reverse thrust on the 767/757.

Why didn't you get typed in the bird like everyone else?

AAflyer

 

[Tri-holer]

Trainerjet

Didn't take your comments as being critical. Just had to reexamine what I had said. Talking with the friend who flies the Super 72 now and used to fly the overpowered -7 72 with me just made me more sure of what I was saying.

He did say there was a difference between our reversers and those on the MD-80 engines used on the Super. When he said that, I could see where you were coming from.

Guess your FO needs listen closer to the ATIS landing weather if he/she can't tell by looking out that the runway is clear.


Clownpilot

Spoilers do not suck. Engines suck - and blow.

 

[trainerjet]

AAflyer,

I'm surprised you take anything the "clownpilot" has to say seriously. A cursory examination of his posts should tell you that he either thinks he is being funny or just wants to start some sh!t. Either way, he contributes nothing worthwhile to this board and (along with a handful of others) is at the top of the IGNORE list.

 

[AAflyer]

Trainerpilot,

Funny you mentioned that, I was doing that for the last 15 minutes. He is a character. Actually he is full of sh!t, but boy is he witty.

I just wonder if he really flies for AA. Should ask him?
Hey, Would the real slim shady please stand up?

AAflyer

 

[dsee8driver]

DC8 reverser..

On the DC8 reversers are deployed upon touchdown right away. They tell us we should not add power untill the nosewheel touches down. On the 70 series with the big fans you really don't need much power once they are deployed. On the 60 series you need quite a bit since they are not very efficient. Company procedures are to come out of reverse thrust at 80 knots and stow them at 60.
There are other situations that we use reversers and I'm not sure you can do it in any other aircraft. Often controllers hold you high (JFK most of the time) and the slam dunk you with a speed restriction. Since the DC8 does not have speedbrakes we get to use reversers in flight. (outboards only with the gear down) Just openning them without adding power drops you like a rock. Make it quite interesting.

 

[jsoceanlord]

in backing away from a terminal in a 727, i heard you should roll forward a little first and then deploy the reversers - otherwise you'll blow away the terminal

 

[Clownpilot]

Well, well

Hey, mental midget Southwest wanna be.

What are you so pissed off about. That you can't get a job? That you paid $8000 dollar entry fee for a type rating that only gets you a chance to fly for an airline that pays 35% below industry standard, only flies to out of the way sh#tholes, flies only 1 airplane type for your entire life, and flies to Paris, but unfortunately its Paris, TX population 1,345, instead of Paris France?

Get over it troll. If you won't read my posts maybe one of your buddies will clue you in that you need to LIGHTEN THE H#LL UP.

This board is for entertainment. Fun. Ya know??? Don't spread your unemployed bad attitude around here.

The upside is that the top of your ignore list means you can't take bad news. But here's some for you. If you don't already have a job you ain't gonna get a decent one for years. With your attitude though I doubt your future holds much.

All my best to you.

AAflyer,

I'm surprised you take anything the "clownpilot" has to say seriously. A cursory examination of his posts should tell you that he either thinks he is being funny or just wants to start some sh!t. Either way, he contributes nothing worthwhile to this board and (along with a handful of others) is at the top of the IGNORE list.

 

[MetroSheriff]

Clownpilot....Heeeee's baaaack!!!!

 

[Clownpilot]

Heeeeeeeeeeeey

I refuse to reverse at effective higher speeds.

I refuse to hold light pressure against the interlock.

I refuse to apply reverse thrust once the interlock is released and the nose gear is on the runway.

However..................... If stoppping distance is critical I WILL:

Check spoilers deployed and remain deployed.

And I refuse to believe you missed the sarcasm in my original post BUT:

I will buy you a beer some time.

As for the type, I guess I forgot that one. Oh well.

Not sure what the hell my post has to do with you not using reverse thrust. I was talking about -9 and -7 engines, how underpowered they are.

As for not using reverse thrust. Take a look at your operating manual 1, approach and landing tab, pg. 40. Tell me what it says about reverse thrust.

I gotta hard time buying you fly for the same airline I do and get away without using reverse thrust on the 767/757.

Why didn't you get typed in the bird like everyone else?

AAflyer

 

[Typhoon1244]

In backing away from a terminal in a 727, I heard you should roll forward a little first and then deploy the reversers--otherwise you'll blow away the terminal.

Disclaimer: I've never done a power-back, but my father's done several hundred in the DC-9 and I've talked to him quite a bit about it.

My understanding is that the reason for rolling forward slightly is to get the tires off the "flat spot" created by sitting stationary for a couple hours. That way it takes less time and power to get the a/c moving.

Can anybody verify that for me?

 

[MetroSheriff]

Disclaimer: I've never done a power-back, but my father's done several hundred in the DC-9 and I've talked to him quite a bit about it.

My understanding is that the reason for rolling forward slightly is to get the tires off the "flat spot" created by sitting stationary for a couple hours. That way it takes less time and power to get the a/c moving.

Can anybody verify that for me?

And all this time I just thought the pilots were trying to scar the poop out of the folks waving from the windows up in the terminal...