USAirways Furloughee Assignments...

[Heavy Set]

I know it is still early in the process. But how will the USAirways furloughees be deployed across the regionals (including MidAtlantic)? Are there any thoughts about that yet?

Will the most senior of the furloughees go to MidAtlantic? Will the least senior be placed on PSA CRJs or MESA CRJs as Captains (J4J)? Let's say you are in the middle of the pack for the furloughees, what is you most likely assignment? Will furloughees have a choice of assignment?

I have a few friends who are USAirways furloughees and I'd be interested to know where they might end up initially... Personally, I like the look of that Embraer 170 - nice Primus flight deck... So, what have you heard about assignments?

Good luck to all involved!

 

[Dashcaptain]

There is the jets for jobs protocol in place at Mesa, Midway, Allegheny, PSA, Piedmont, and I think Republic. The Airways pilots only get half of the seats in the additional rjs. They are not necessarily captains. At least at the wholly owned carriers, they will alwasy be the bottom guys for bidding in the jets. They will also get 100% of the seats at Midatlantic.

 

[RUhiring?]

The US Airways furloughed pilots get to choose where they want to go. So far several have "passed" on the offer for Midway and Mesa in order to take a slot at Mid-Atlantic. However, at some point there won't be any choices left and they will have to "take it or leave it" on whatever is offered to them.

FWIW, 50% of the Mesa jobs are going to US Furloughees, and of that 50%, half are in class as captains and half as FO's.

 

[aroundtheblock]

Does anyone know of a list, official or unofficial, of the guys going and passing on these J4J program? It might give a guy an idea how long until he gets the call off furlough.

 

[RUhiring?]

Yes....the list is in the AAA pilots only section of the ALPA website. I believe it is listed as the APL (Affected Pilots List).

 

[blott]

don't go to republic...ask your MEC...

B

 

[blzr]

When all this is over, and you mainline guys get back to mainline, yeah right, amy future hiring should only be from the wholly owned carriers. You guys will be flowing down and that is fine as long as we can flow through. Fair is fair.

 

[General Lee]

I don't work for USair, but I can totally see BLZR's point. IF you are allowed to flow down, then they should be able to flow up at the same rate. If 1500 of them came down, then they should hire 1500 or so from the WO's---and have another flow down opportunity if things go sour.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[fletch]

The way I understand it, when and if, Usair ever hires again, there will be a "flow" for wholly owned pilots to MidAtlantic and then to Usair. But that's going to be a long time from now.

 

[Dashcaptain]

With the jets for jobs protocol, all of us technically have mainline seniority numbers and can beid Midatlantic and Mainline when the time comes. No outside hiring will occur, I guess, except at the regional level. We shall see if this remains true until it happens.

 

[sabreliner]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[BTDII]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

Why would'nt you hold your breath? Starting this year through 2005 there will be nearly 1150 pilot positions open to the Affected Pilot List just between the 85 aircraft for MidAtlantic and the 60 for PSA. Not including the 25 CRJ705's, which no one knows where thats going. If they staff those 705's at 50/50 then you have another 125 pilot positions that would go to the furloughees. Once the orders for ALG and PDT are made that will easily take care of the rest of the Affected Pilot List. (some of whom have already moved onto bigger and better things)

No doubt that MidAtlantic will take the bulk of future orders which will be enough positions for what will be left of the APL and the WO's together. Starting NOW any position at MDA that is turned down by the entire APL goes to the WO pilots. Meaning all they have to do is call everyone on the APL once to fill a spot before it comes to us. If all the WO pilots turn down their chance to move to MDA(with their sen. and longevity) then and only then can the company hire from the outside. And since WO pilots will carry longevity and seniority with them to MDA, going there is not that bad of a deal.

I'll give an example. Lets say that MDA is starting a class in Nov and in that class they have 20 positions open. 10 Capt and 10 FO and they have called eveyone on the APL to fill those spots. But out of the APL they could only get 19 people to come to that class. Now that position has to be offfered to the WO's and MDA is required to call everyone on the Merged WO sen. list in sen. order until the position is filled. Only after they do that can they hire from the outside. Keeping in mind that not everyone on the APL will be coming to MDA or any of the WO's for whatever reason makes this senerio(sp) all the more possible.

If U orders the max amount of RJ's allowed by scope, 465, and staffs them @ 5 crews per plane thats 2325 pilot positions within the Group. The WO's together have just about 900 pilots. I stongly belive that you will see the end of contract carriers and Group pilots doing all the flying.

 

[blzr]

That was a well written post. I hope you are right.

 

[BTDII]

That was a well written post. I hope you are right.

Thanks,

Only time will tell. But it appears to be heading in the right direction.

 

[DougCorp-9]

What is the payscale and work rules for Mid-Atlantic?

 

[BTDII]

What is the payscale and work rules for Mid-Atlantic?

The MidAtlantic contract is the current Eagle contract.

 

[j41driver]

The MidAtlantic contract is the current Eagle contract.

You're kidding right?

 

[blzr]

Don't you know that there would be a MUTINY at sub-atlantic if that were REALLY the case. Isn't American eagle about the same as Mesa?

Is it the whole contract, or just pay rates? Anyway, this just keeps gettin' better and better.

 

[BTDII]

No Joke, though all the details of what the contract contains I'm not familiar with. So sit tight for a couple of days and I'll see what I can come up with.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

1900 furloughs?

Of the nearly 1,900 furloughed pilots at US Airways only a handful have actually received the elusive "preference sheet" that was supposed to have been sent out by ALPA/US Airways.

As a result not one single pilot who was hired from 1998 - 2001 has any clue if, when, or where a Jets4Jobs position will be available.

Granted they have about 700 pre-1998 US Airways pilots to accomidate before they bother with the "newhires" but with virtually no information coming from the furlough administrator it would sure be nice to hear SOMETHING from the company with regard to Dave's "soft-landing".