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KeroseneSnorter

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What is the latest on the Usair recalls?

1. What is the delivery schedule for the 190's

2. What is the pay rate for the 190's CA? F/O? Year 1 to 5

3. How many expected?

4. Verify that the 190's are indeed mainline and not a J4J deal?

5. Any idea how close to a sen integration? Or is it going to be a mediator as I expect?

6. I know the approximate retirement numbers on the USAir side, any idea about Am-West?



Thanks for the info.
 
KeroseneSnorter said:
What is the latest on the Usair recalls?

1. What is the delivery schedule for the 190's

2. What is the pay rate for the 190's CA? F/O? Year 1 to 5

3. How many expected?

4. Verify that the 190's are indeed mainline and not a J4J deal?

5. Any idea how close to a sen integration? Or is it going to be a mediator as I expect?

6. I know the approximate retirement numbers on the USAir side, any idea about Am-West?



Thanks for the info.

1. First two in Nov, about 1 a month there after.

2. You should be able to find it if you do a search, someone just posted it recently, fifth year CA is 85 and change.

3. 57 firm, 50 option.

4. yeah it's mainline, per the transition agreement.

5. not close. The arbitriator wont be available until the fall, so maybe early next year.

6. around 50 a year give or take.
 
Thanks for the info. They do not tell us furloughees much anymore.

I understand we can bypass recall (on the 190)until a CA spot comes up, then if we pass we forfit recall rights. Is that correct?
 
As far as I can tell that is correct. And by bypassing the f/o slot, does not mean you give it up. If further down the road, you decide to take f/o on the 190 you can still go back if such position is open at that time.
 
I really dont understand how that is going to work. When the F28, F100, DC9 was on the property the upgrade time was STILL legnthy.

Are they expecting E190 Captain to go junior to A320 F/O?
 
Are they expecting E190 Captain to go junior to A320 F/O?

Depends on your years of service. Just off the top of my head I think the AWA 320 F/O pays more at a certain point than the 190 captain seat.
 
Does the bypass apply until 190 C/O or 73/320 F/O whichever's available first? I saw somewhere that DP supposedly stated he expects to be hiring off the street w/in 2 years due to this provision and a high no-return rate. I agree with that assessment, but wthdik.
 
FYI, the E190 rates have now been posted on airlinepilotcentral.com.

JMO, but senior AWA FOs won't be interested in E190 Captain. Junior AWA fo's definitely might. It remains TBD how many AWA pilots will be able to bid for it.
 
TWA Dude said:
FYI, the E190 rates have now been posted on airlinepilotcentral.com.

JMO, but senior AWA FOs won't be interested in E190 Captain. Junior AWA fo's definitely might.

What makes you think that? (honest question - not trying to jab back)
 
TWA Dude said:
FYI, the E190 rates have now been posted on airlinepilotcentral.com.

JMO, but senior AWA FOs won't be interested in E190 Captain. Junior AWA fo's definitely might.

I guess if "senior" is yr 5 plus, and taking the 190 slot would take you from a lineholder FO to a reserve Capt.

The 190 CA rates exceed the Boeing/Bus FO rates for every year. At year 5 and up a lineholder FO could make more than a Reserve CA on the 190 but for everyone else the 190 is a better deal $ wise.
 
I'm sure I am jumping the gun a little bit here but does anybody have a current address to send my resume to?

If LCC does hire off the street in a few years I want to be ready.

Congrats on the recalls and new jet orders.

Gofish
 
Gofish, you are indeed jumping the gun. There isn't even a hiring department set up to receive resumes. Just relax, you'll know with plenty of time to spare when off-the-street hiring begins.
 
OnTheDole said:
I guess if "senior" is yr 5 plus, and taking the 190 slot would take you from a lineholder FO to a reserve Capt.

AWA's last big hiring push was from the 2003-Spring of 2005, and probably was @300 pilots of so of @1900. Most of those pilots were hired towards the front end of that timeframe I believe. Prior to that I believe AWA's last hiring was ended around early 2001 and I think they even had a small amount of furloughs pre-9/11 as they were in a spot of trouble and returned a few a/c. By the time the EMB-190 fleet gets sizeable in the 2007-2008 timeframe, seems like most AWA F/O's will be nearing or ahead of the 5 years of service mark.
 
Gofish said:
I'm sure I am jumping the gun a little bit here but does anybody have a current address to send my resume to?
If LCC does hire off the street in a few years I want to be ready.
Congrats on the recalls and new jet orders.
Gofish

I'll sell my USairways senority number to the highest bidder.
 
Here is what I posted on 1/18 (different thread), reference the pay rates.

EMB 190 at new US Airways
Didn’t see any discussion of the EMB 190 rates at the new US AIRWAYS (all 190 flying to be done by mainline pilots). Here is what was spelled out in our Transition Agreement. This may go up once we get an approved single list and an approved single contract, but for now is the agreed-too standard. A 2% raise to the numbers in 2012 is pre-agreed. This is straight pay (IE the minimum you would make).

Once we get settled down as a combined carrier, my guess is all new hires world probably start in the 190. You’d start in the 190 (all new hires in company will be paid the same regardless of AC type, so FO pay is the same no matter what in year one). For simplicity, a new 190 FO would make about (41.22 * 78 * 12) $38,581 a year (again straight pay, no 401K, no per diem, no extra flying, etc). I think it was assumed that you would move out as soon as your training lock expires (two years) and then to other equipment FO pay (year three is 66.37). If you moved to other equipment at year three as an FO you’d make (66.37 * 78 * 12) $62,122 a year. If you could hold Captain on the 190 at year 3/4, you might elect to remain in the 190 and avoid a two year training lock (by moving to other equipment as an FO). A 4 year 190 Captain would make (83.96 * 78 *12) $78,586. Initially I think we will fill the 190 Captains with 3/4 year FOs (now on other equipment at AWA) who want to jump to the $78K number. FOs with 5 years of seniority at AWA are paid $80.25, so I don’t see them leaving, they would just wait for Captain upgrade away from the 190. I don’t see any of the US Airways FOs leaving for the 190 since they are all senior and I’m pretty sure it would be a pay downgrade for them. Our 5 year AWA Captain pay on other equipment rises to $127.17 on 1 January, so for reference you would make (127.17 * 78 *12) $119,031 by upgrading away from the EMB 190.

Captain US EMB 190
Years Seniority Rate
1 78.57
2 80.36
3 82.14
4 83.96
5 85.82
6 87.53
7 89.29
8 91.07
9 92.89
10 94.74
11 96.64
12 98.58

FO US EMB 190
Years Seniority Rate
1 41.22
2 43.72
3 46.22
4 48.72
5 51.13
6 52.16
7 53.20
8 54.26
9 55.34
10 57.58
11 58.73
12 61.11
 
Not sure of the f/o's at US not going to the 190. Everyone is at TOS pay wise, and alot of been sitting f/o for sometime. On the 320 or 737 they max out at 85/hr. Whereas the 190 would pay 94.74/hr till 2008 with some raises after that. So net net 10k/yr increase. Might see some sr. f/o's jumping on that, especially depending on where they are based, and what the trips look like.

which net net, I could see f/o's bidding capt. on the 190, opening up f/o slots on teh 73 or 320. With furloughees being recalled to right seat of those two aircraft, and f/o on the 190. with respect to recall, furloughees can indefinately bypass recall to 190 f/o slots, and not loose their number.
 
Crazy -- Let's hope when they hammer out the combined contract, you guys to our contract rate (at a minimum) the FO side! If you are maxed out today at $85, you could go to the 93.61 figure below on 1 January 07. Depending on how the contract is finally integrated, that would obviously figure into if/how/when UAir FOs jumped to the 190 or elected to stay on UAir equipment for QOL. Where the 190 is based will be an important factor if the bucks are about even [TOS 93.61 FO (Mainline) vs. 98.58 190 CAPT]. When the contract is combined vs. when you must make the 190 decisions is anybody's guess. I know some guys will bid to it just for a change and a chance to be a Captain again. Let's hope if just works good for each guy/gal as they struggle through the decision process.

FO rates at AWA. Years 1 -15. Today and 1 Jan 2007

1 38.00 39.14
2 59.62 61.41
3 66.37 68.36
4 73.27 75.47
5 80.25 82.66
6 82.51 84.98
7 83.45 85.95
8 84.40 86.94
9 85.37 87.93
10 86.31 88.90
11 87.27 89.89
12 88.22 90.87
13 89.10 81.77
14 89.99 92.69
15+ 90.89 93.61
 
True, hopefully the rates will be brought up, as I think AWA pays more on the 75 capt, but US higher on the 320, or something like that. Anyways, was supposed to be taken care of in the transition agreement, Such as the AWA guys getting parity for retirement contributions, But the AAA MEC stated something like they didn't want to ruffle any feathers or something. Then the Hemingway letter comes out basically saying, get it done or we'll impose AAA contract or some crap, and more political bs.....etc etc...... Anyways, agree with ya, but can we make that 93 a 12 yr rate?
 
RGPilot said:
where did you hear about the delivery rates on the E190? Only getting one a month after December?

It was in either one of the press releases, or the employee newsletter that comes out....was listed in there. 1 a month until the order is fullfilled. Also heard at the latest crew meeting with parker, he said he had heard about b6's problems, and he called them inquiring if they wanted to sell their delivery positions, they declined.
 
OnTheDole said:
I guess if "senior" is yr 5 plus, and taking the 190 slot would take you from a lineholder FO to a reserve Capt.

The 190 CA rates exceed the Boeing/Bus FO rates for every year. At year 5 and up a lineholder FO could make more than a Reserve CA on the 190 but for everyone else the 190 is a better deal $ wise.

Except a senior FO and pick his/sher schedule and fly more and have a better life style than a junior 190 pilot (maybe) depending on how junior the 190 slots go
 

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