UsAir E-190 Question?

[Old School 737]

Guy I know who was a America West poolie is starting very soon on the E-190. Just wondering where he will be based? How long is the seat lock? Is he considered a East guy now or a West Guy or neither? I know he wants PHX or LAS as soon as he can do it so does that change things?
Thanks.

 

[Swaayze]

He'll be PHL based if he gets the 190. I say "if" because they've been having many no-shows for the Group 2 or better airplanes (A320, 737) and they have a bunch scheduled for his class on the 27th. I'd think it is possible that they'll have leftover G2 slots for the newhires to bid on, but either way he'll be an Eastie. He may never get to PHX or LAS if the Easties succeed in keeping operations seperate as there will be no single list prior to a single contract.

 

[Old School 737]

Are they hiring on the West side?

 

[Hpilot]

Are they hiring on the West side?

Yes, 60 new hires. Per the transition agreement they have to offer the furloughed Easties first shot. They're bypassing so rapidly hiring off the street should occur shortly.

 

[TWA Dude]

Are they hiring on the West side?

We'll know after our vacancy bid closes in a couple of days. We expect there will be newhires/recalls to the West as soon as September.

 

[wjpilot]

Yes, 60 new hires. Per the transition agreement they have to offer the furloughed Easties first shot. They're bypassing so rapidly hiring off the street should occur shortly.

Where did you hear that they are hiring 60 new hires? This is the first I have heard of this.

What kind of desk did you fly? Were you a dispatcher somewhere?

 

[LittleDeuce]

AWA Poolies and the E190

Guy I know who was a America West poolie is starting very soon on the E-190. Just wondering where he will be based? How long is the seat lock? Is he considered a East guy now or a West Guy or neither? I know he wants PHX or LAS as soon as he can do it so does that change things?
Thanks.

The August 27 class is specifically for the E190. The Basic Indoc will be in PHX and systems and Simulator in CLT.

These pilots will be east pilots because we still don't have a merged list and contract.

They could not have a group II or higher aircraft because there are still pilots on furlough although as we all know, the APL is depleating fast

 

[abefly]

Yes, 60 new hires. Per the transition agreement they have to offer the furloughed Easties first shot. They're bypassing so rapidly hiring off the street should occur shortly.

Talked to chief pilot a couple days ago...Need 60 bodies on the west as of yesterday.... still recalling 150 on the east. There are only 500 left on the list. ten percnt recall acceptance rate. They are taking resumes now for hiring next month to both sides all aircraft. They anticipate on top of the 150 and 60 hiring at least 300 next year. With a lot of that going west.

East can only delay contract so long before the company starts growing the west side. Our on time performance is a lot better. So keep on flying slow for less pay easties. Enjoy your contract till 2011. We dont give a sh**!

 

[LittleDeuce]

Talked to chief pilot a couple days ago...Need 60 bodies on the west as of yesterday.... still recalling 150 on the east. There are only 500 left on the list. ten percnt recall acceptance rate. They are taking resumes now for hiring next month to both sides all aircraft. They anticipate on top of the 150 and 60 hiring at least 300 next year. With a lot of that going west.

East can only delay contract so long before the company starts growing the west side. Our on time performance is a lot better. So keep on flying slow for less pay easties. Enjoy your contract till 2011. We dont give a sh**!

No flame intended here but the most significant growth is on the East. We will have 25 E190s by 4Q08 not to mention all the A-340s and 330s for the planned European expansion.

I do hope this mess gets straightened out soon so we can all move forward.

 

[PHXFLYR]

The east growth is not growth per se. It is attrition due to retirements .The 25 E190's,while nice to have on our certificate rather than watching Mesa fly them, leave much to be desired in terms of hourly rate regardless of what seat you occupy. And the additional 330's and 340's won't be here for a few more years. Ditto your statement regarding "the mess"


PHXFLYR

 

[abefly]

No flame intended here but the most significant growth is on the East. We will have 25 E190s by 4Q08 not to mention all the A-340s and 330s for the planned European expansion.

I do hope this mess gets straightened out soon so we can all move forward.

This is true but per the arbitration award 33 percent of those slots are owed to west pilots. Which means sep 25th when we are all on one nice certificate they can be flown by both east and west pilots under seperate contracts. At least this is what the company thinks. Also heard 190s in phoenix in early 09.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Where did you hear that?

PHXFLYR

 

[abefly]

Where did you hear that?

PHXFLYR

The 33 percent I made up.....starting sh**. But is possible. The 190s in phoenix in 09 I heard from a CP.

 

[PHXFLYR]

What do you say we be daring and different and try sticking with the facts for a change. Whadda ya think? I mean after all,the original poster who started this thread was trying to get some information for a friend of his who was starting here shortly. Or is it just easier to stir up"crap",as you like to say?


PHXFLYR

 

[LearLove]

No flame intended here but the most significant growth is on the East. We will have 25 E190s by 4Q08 not to mention all the A-340s and 330s for the planned European expansion.

I do hope this mess gets straightened out soon so we can all move forward.

LD, do you know what the firm order number is on the E-190? What about options and do you think we will get more than the current firm order?

Thanks

 

[Old School 737]

So he will be an East side guy on the 190 with a seat lock? Did not get an answer to that one? Can he bid over to the West side after a period of time or is that where the combined contract / list comes into play? Also assuming the list stands where does he slot in. Somewhere slightly behind "Dave"?

 

[LittleDeuce]

E190s

LD, do you know what the firm order number is on the E-190? What about options and do you think we will get more than the current firm order?

Thanks

I believe the firm order is for 57 and I do think we will see them all. I also think the company will exercise their options.

I also think there is a good chance we will see the E190 in PHX someday IMHO. You could reach a lot of markets out of PHX to the west coast.

A second sim would most certainaly go to the PHX Training Center, there is just no room in CLT.

 

[LittleDeuce]

East E190s

So he will be an East side guy on the 190 with a seat lock? Did not get an answer to that one? Can he bid over to the West side after a period of time or is that where the combined contract / list comes into play? Also assuming the list stands where does he slot in. Somewhere slightly behind "Dave"?

He would be an "East" guy with a 12 month training lock. However, when we merge the certificates on September 27, I guess theoretically he there could be "West" pilots flying them but at what rate?

Certainly with the West bid coming out soon there will be group II vacancies so why take the E190?

Regardless of how the seniority issue plays out, new hires will be at the bottom the combined list.

I know we are going to very busy in the Training Department during 4Q07

This is going to get very interesting!

 

[The Victors]

Talked to chief pilot a couple days ago...Need 60 bodies on the west as of yesterday.... still recalling 150 on the east. There are only 500 left on the list. ten percnt recall acceptance rate. They are taking resumes now for hiring next month to both sides all aircraft. They anticipate on top of the 150 and 60 hiring at least 300 next year. With a lot of that going west.

East can only delay contract so long before the company starts growing the west side. Our on time performance is a lot better. So keep on flying slow for less pay easties. Enjoy your contract till 2011. We dont give a sh**!

why would they build up the west when they have cheaper labor in the east?

 

[greyskyracer]

cactus

 

[m80drvr]

why would they build up the west when they have cheaper labor in the east?

The labor isnt exactly as "cheap" on the east as most think. Most if not all, east pilots are at top pay scale. Yes it is a crappy wage but most AWA pilots are not at top pay for their seat.

 

[n757st]

I believe the firm order is for 57 and I do think we will see them all. I also think the company will exercise their options.

I also think there is a good chance we will see the E190 in PHX someday IMHO. You could reach a lot of markets out of PHX to the west coast.

A second sim would most certainaly go to the PHX Training Center, there is just no room in CLT.

Unless things have changed... and they very will might have, it is 25 firm and 32 options. But then again, I have been out of the loop and don't work for US... though I would like to.

 

[Citjok]

No flame intended here but the most significant growth is on the East. We will have 25 E190s by 4Q08 not to mention all the A-340s and 330s for the planned European expansion.

I do hope this mess gets straightened out soon so we can all move forward.

Just curious. What's the latest with the A340's.?Heard from a checkairman the company did not like the FAA requiring a full initial school for the 340 instead of a diff trng.

 

[LittleDeuce]

E190

Just curious. What's the latest with the A340's.?Heard from a checkairman the company did not like the FAA requiring a full initial school for the 340 instead of a diff trng.

Don't know where you got your information but the A-340 only requires a 5 day transition if you are current on the A-330.

Maybe it was from a West Check Airman who is dreaming about flying to China!

That's a joke boyz!

 

[Green]

Don't know where you got your information but the A-340 only requires a 5 day transition if you are current on the A-330.

Maybe it was from a West Check Airman who is dreaming about flying to China!

That's a joke boyz!

I know you were joking but your joke goes to the core of the problem with most East side pilots. We (westies) WILL be flying YOUR widebodies sometime in the future. Deal with it. The sooner you guys accept that the sooner we can all get a decent contract ($) and move off the bottom of the industry in terms of pay and workrules.

Sorry I'm sure it sucks for you but you are going to have to share your coveted positions with a bunch of AWA pilots. Those are the breaks. All this talk of equal but seperate is a bunch of horsesh#t. It will only guarantee that we remain last and second to last in compensation and workrules indefinitely. If you don't want to fly with any AWA pilots just put us all on your no-fly list.

What i can't figure out is the rampant sentiment among easties that they would rather burn the airline to the ground or take food off their own family's table than abide by what they've already agreed to. Very odd.....Turn down money, workrules, and vacation on the table and instead waste your hard earned dollars on dead end lawsuits...!??

One more thing. Does anyone from the east actually believe that a future merger would respect a "seperate ops forever" clause?? Do you think management would ever sign a contract guaranteeing seperate ops indefinitely?

 

[m80drvr]

But then again, I have been out of the loop and don't work for US... though I would like to.

Damn dude

Set your goals higher. This place is pretty much a dump, has always been and will always be. You too can be a 20 year FO.

 

[Green]

Damn dude

Set your goals higher. This place is pretty much a dump, has always been and will always be. You too can be a 20 year FO.

dude i think you're way off base. IMHO the trick to an airline career is figuring out which carrier is going to position you best for the future. Sure Us Airways has been an aweful place to work and arguably is today. BUT there are a massive amount of retirements on the horizon, the company is currently raking in the cash, and in the next 7 years or so the widebody fleet should more than double from 19 to over 40 (lots of Intl growth for a small airline).

Obviously getting hired at LCC is a big risk but the potential payoff could be great. Assuming the two pilot groups ever come together and get a decent contract it might not be a bad place to work. LCC probably has the oldest pilot group in the biz. Avg age at AAA 53 and AWA 47. For someone under 40 that means lots of upward movement in the next 10-20 years. Management has said they want to expand aggressively overseas. If you got hired at Delta today you would be looking at years and years of being right near the bottom of the list as they have few retirements to speak of.

just my .02

 

[Swaayze]

Not sure what I was thinking, (s)he should not have the opportunity for Group 2 at this point with pilots still on furlough. If I were he I'd probably call HR asap and find out if they'd let me hold out for a West side slot, though I kinda doubt they will. They seem to need bodies quickly on the East side and he will likely be locked in to the East operation until the list/ops are combined.

 

[n757st]

Damn dude

Set your goals higher. This place is pretty much a dump, has always been and will always be. You too can be a 20 year FO.

I live on the east coast, right now in the PHL area, but I am from Connecticut and being with US would allow me to keep living in PHL, relocate to CT and drive to LGA or BOS, or relocate and have one the of the most cake commutes around. But again it is each their own.... my geographic position also means to me that I have NO interest in working for NWA or Alaska, while some might look at those two as a bastion of opportunity.

 

[TWA Dude]

The Vacancy Bid results are out -- and there's no Newhire positions listed. I honestly don't know what this means. Even the small bid last year had eight unfilled vacancies (which were never filled). I'm sure there's hiring ahead for the West but this bid result offers no clues as to how many.