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The_Russian

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Ok if any of you play Lock On: Modern Air Combat, then you know its a bad a$$ and extremly realistic sim. This is no arcade game!

Here is the USAF Virtual Thunderbirds in action in a video made by Silent Eagle (#3). I fly a lot of the solo work with them (Boris #5)and I am in some of the moves. Keep in mind this is not an tweaked or played with movie, these stunts are accurate and extremely difficult.

ENJOY!

http://www.lockonskins.co.uk/linkcounter.php?LID=158

These guys are college kids looking for a spot in the USAF in the future. Wish them luck at.....

http://www.freewebs.com/vitualthunderbirds/
 
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HOLY CRAP, a bunch of KICKASS flying and kickass cinematography! (except for the shakycam deal... please please tell me that you didn't do it on purpose and it's a limitation of the game...)

Could have chosen some better music too.
 
The video was made by one of the team leaders. He did it with another program and added the shaking effect. He also added the speech.

Hey, I like the first and last song! Not the second one.
 
added the shaking effect

WHAT!? Sorry, but that stuff's horrible! There wasn't even a single second of ground footage without the shaking going on. It would have been a cool effect to add to a few key moments for emphasis, but to have it on for the whole duration just perverts it.... instead of getting to enjoy a kickass show, I have to sit there and get my eyeballs jiggled trying to keep track of things. It's extremely distracting from an otherwise flawless production.
 
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I get your point. I didn't make it. just trying to show some support for my buds and the great flying we do. Maybe next vid will be less shake. We got complaints on other boards too. next one will be even better.
 
Extremely COOL vid!!!

Shaky camera SUCKS.
Outtakes.... WAY COOL. I laughed my [body part] off!!!

Please post the next vid here when its done. I'd like to see it.
 
Um...okay...at the risk of sounding like the scientest in the "FAR SIDE" cartoon that is screaming "you can't hear explosions in space" at a SCI-FI movie...

Take a GOOD look at the cockpit view from one of the F-16s as it does a cross under (slips behind the other jets) early in the video. Notice the canopy bow in the picture? Now....look at the F-16 again from outside. Where is the canopy bow? Thats right kids, its BEHIND the pilot. So...the jet you are looking out of is NOT an F-16.

Second clue...when you get to peek inside the cockpit, did you notice the engine instruments? Did you notice 2 sets of them? Hmmm.... Let's go look at that F16 again...yep....1 engine. So....what you see inside and outside the cockpit do not match. What jet is it? Well...I'll let you try to figure that one out.

Anyway...sorry to pollute your little game with facts. Enjoy!
 
Hey,

I thought the shaky camera was a cool effect. Maybe the guy filming it had unsteady hand. It just made it more realistic. I enjoyed it very much. It definitely wasn't a show stopper for me. Thanks for the entertainment. You guys should do some other demos. Maybe an A-10 demo or a Tora Tora Tora demo like they do at the Dayton Airshow.

BT
 
AlbieF15 said:
Um...okay...at the risk of sounding like the scientest in the "FAR SIDE" cartoon that is screaming "you can't hear explosions in space" at a SCI-FI movie...

Take a GOOD look at the cockpit view from one of the F-16s as it does a cross under (slips behind the other jets) early in the video. Notice the canopy bow in the picture? Now....look at the F-16 again from outside. Where is the canopy bow? Thats right kids, its BEHIND the pilot. So...the jet you are looking out of is NOT an F-16.

Second clue...when you get to peek inside the cockpit, did you notice the engine instruments? Did you notice 2 sets of them? Hmmm.... Let's go look at that F16 again...yep....1 engine. So....what you see inside and outside the cockpit do not match. What jet is it? Well...I'll let you try to figure that one out.

Anyway...sorry to pollute your little game with facts. Enjoy!
Albie,

I don't know much about the game, "Lock On" but I went to a review of it last night after watching this video and it seems to me that the F-16 isn't available in the game - only the A-10 and F-15. So I think what these guys did was add on an F-16 external view to do this stuff, which would illustrate why the internal cockpit views don't match with that of the Viper. Just an uneducated guess from the peanut gallery. Either, way, it was some pretty impressive flying, given that it is done in a networked online world in 2d.

-Neal
 
Cummon, Albie - - don't spoil it! Next thing ya know you'll have people thinking the colored smoke doesn't really come from invisible nozzles 18" beyond the wingtips!


I hated the ShakyCam.

I liked the Picture in Picture - - there was only one occurrence of that.

The crossover was great - - replays with multiple angles was fun. I wonder what it might have looked like with real winds.

The solo High-G turn - - was that supposed to simulate graying out?


Do these guys wear red flight suits when they log on to "fly"?!?!? :)
 
I have to admit that was better that I thought it would be. Best part was the out takes at the end! Nice work!
 
Why u gotta ruin it Albie? You know that all Porker-drivers want a second motor!

The in-cockpit stuff is sweet (if inaccurate). Great job putting it together to the guy that did all the work. Now kill shaky-cam and it will be sweet!
 
TonyC said:
The solo High-G turn - - was that supposed to simulate graying out?

What? You never did that in the tweet? Looks pretty accurate.
 
I fly a lot of the solo work with them (Boris #5)and I am in some of the moves.
You mean you play video games with them, don't you?

Keep in mind this is not an tweaked or played with movie, these stunts are accurate and extremely difficult.
Nothing in this movie has been played with. Everthing is like real, just as it might have happened, had it been, er, real. No names have been changed to protect anybody.

Don't try this at home kids. You might slip off the couch and hurt yourself.


Apparently it wasn't real enough...someone had to design a virtual bad amatuer cameraman to capture those twin engine thunderchickens.
 
Hey I think that is really cool, its a good way to keep the dream to be a pilot alive. Have you all ever used falcon 4.0?
 
Disturbing comments.

Wow, I'm amazed at how many of you are just flat out jerks. Yes it is an F-16 t-bird mod over F-15 cockpit and aerodynamic model. Avbug, you will always be sour. You do a great job of representing the positive aspects of this forum (yeah right!). The video was made by a kid not even twenty years old. The sim has extemely accurate aerodynamic models and is very difficult to fly.

For those of you who said nice things or nothing at all, I thank you. I put this video link up for everyone and I hope you enjoyed our work. For those of us who grew up on flight sims and don't think we are better than everyone else....ENJOY!
 
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Ah-so.

The video was made by a kid not even twenty years old. The sim has extemely accurate aerodynamic models and is very difficult to fly.

A 20 year old with parkinsons disease, from the looks of it. I hope he didn't fall off the couch playing tag.

Difficult to fly, or difficult to play? Perhaps the FAA will wise up and require a type rating for that, er, game.
 
Well...sad but true....you sim aces probably have more of a future in air combat than the real pilots....at least 20 years from now. The UAV revolution is already under way, and air to air lasers probably aren't that far either. Sim hard! Sim safe!
 
True story. I always thought pac man, space invaders, and asteroids were all challenging enough.

If I had all the quarters today that I wasted back then...I could afford to buy myself another box of grease rags. Or a new shirt.
 
Up untill when i started flying I "simmed" all the time. Now that I fly i don't sim as much, however every once in a while I get the urge to fire up Falcon 4.0. No matter what anyone says sims are cool and that are a big reason why the up and comming pilots are here.

Nikes
 
GREAT WORK GUYS!!!!

I grew up flying all kinds of simulators on my PC, so I know exactly what you're talking about. For all the other jerks on this board (the people who are better bashers than pilots), I can honestly say it takes some serious skill, even though it's not quite as realistic as the real deal. I know I've learned a lot of what I use as a pilot in real life from years and years of tinkering around with flight simulations as a kid and I still do up to this day occasionally. I fly for a living (or trying to as the sarcastic crowd would put it these days) and I have a lot of respect for the sim communities and these guys.

LOMAC, just like Falcon 4.0 and all it's add-on's should not be considered just another game. These products have been in development years and at the realism settings these hardcore simmers fly at, it's not a walk in the park! Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentance as or compared with any console game or arcade game. Having said that, it's not as realistic as real life for obvious reasons, but flying a civilian jet is IMO is in many ways easier than being a good enough pilot in cyberspace (just in different ways)!

The sim used in the vid was LOMAC (Lock On: Modern Air Combat) and it features flyable F-15's, A-10's, MIG-29's, SU-25, -27 and -33's. In other words no F-16 (as some mentioned earlier). There are many mod's and tweaks for this sim and the guys who made this vid also made the mod (skin modification) of an USAF Thunderbird F-16 to replace the texture of the default F-15 that's flyable in the game. In other words, they flew F-15's, just so happens that they looked like the USAF Thunderbird F-16's.

Keep up the great work guys. Some of us know where you're coming from and are plenty impressed!
 
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a-v-8er said:
In other words, they flew F-15's, ...
I'm curious. How did they enter those flights into their logbooks? Was there a special column for F-16-lookin' F-15? What about the flights that ended with a crash or explosion and ejection? FROM: ABC TO: CRASH/EJECT Were those legs logged from brake release to touchdown, or brake release to ejection sequence began, or brake release to man-seat separation? Do they keep a separate logbook for their parachute time?

I have many more questions, but I think I'll stop there.

:)
 
I love how the people that PLAY flight sim tell us how real it is. Granted, I've never flown a jet.(However I've "flown" in a 47 and 67 sim) But I have flown numerous singles, and a few twins. I've downloaded the Navajo and Beaver, both of which I have flown. They are so out of whack in the game, it's not even worth the effort. Which gets me to my point, if you've never flown the real thing, how can you say the game is so accurate?
 
Tackleberry said:
I love how the people that PLAY flight sim tell us how real it is...
With the right stuff (i.e. big screen, screaming graphics card, metal flightstick, throttle and rudder's, head tracking device etc...) it will feel real. A lot of PC flight simulators are just games, but some stand out more and have an exceptional attention to detail. The latter are usually patched, tweaked and loaded versions of the retail copy with third party add-on's to make it simulate in even greater detail flight characteristics, avionics, weaponry etc. Obviously there are limitations as far as classified material (military radar's for example) and how much juice your home PC system has compared to a multi million dollar, full motion simulator (although often with today's video cards, the graphics beats that of Level D sims hands down). My point is that what is commonly referred to as a game could with the right setup and tweaks be highly realistic! Out of the box on an average PC, even I agree that it doesn't get close to the real thing. Most people who write some of these sims off as computer games, don't really see the potential gone missing.

The average Joe probably doesn't think of PC flight sims being able to do much more than teach you basic fundamentals, instrument skills and putting around using a plastic Logitech or Microsoft joystick. You'd be surprised how realistic you can make it with the right hardware and tweaks within the software and that's why the real PC simulation community is so small, cause most people don't go the extra three or four steps to setup and modify their stuff and calibrating it. Some of these sims would bore the hell out of someone who came looking for a game since the learning curve is pretty steep.

Now, don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying that this in any way could replace or even come close to the sensation or accuracy of the real life counterpart, just merely that for all of you who consider flight simulators toys to PLAY with - you should take a closer look again before you make any assumptions that all PC sims are just simple games!

As far as being able to say it it's accurate. You're right! I've never flown a F-15 or F-16, however the developers often have real life pilots on their teams who help develop the flight models. Will it fly like the real thing, probably not - but accuratetly enough for real life pilots flying those jets to endorse some of these sims. Again, we're not talking about the arcade games here, but games made by pilots for pilots (or pilot wannabe's). Which is also why many people don't have the time and patience to get into it (understandably sometimes).

Real life flying is not done justice on a PC, in some ways not even in a Level D sim, even I know that! All I'm saying is that most people (and many times) pilots especially go knocking these fairly advanced PC simulators off as nothing but junk. Guess it takes another pilot growing up in the computer generation and used to customizing these sims to fully understand it...
 
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TonyC said:
I'm curious. How did they enter those flights into their logbooks? Was there a special column for F-16-lookin' F-15? What about the flights that ended with a crash or explosion and ejection? FROM: ABC TO: CRASH/EJECT Were those legs logged from brake release to touchdown, or brake release to ejection sequence began, or brake release to man-seat separation? Do they keep a separate logbook for their parachute time?

I have many more questions, but I think I'll stop there.

:)
Wise guy... lol ;)
 
Cool video, but the skakey camera has to go. Also, next time you find the F-16 textures to use, the T-birds don't fly with pylons, only the wingtip missile rails.
 
Great work guys, don't like the shakey cam all the time maybe once in awhile, like when you do a low fast pass w/ burners and only do it for a second. And the blur thing was used way too much as well. But non the less cool video, the out takes had me on the floor.

And don't listen to some of the blow hards on this board, they tend to take things out of proportion. We are all here because we love the world of aviation.


Cheers
 

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