USAF Academy or ROTC

[NWA-AirGuard]

The students that consistantly did the best (my point of view from when I was a student and a T-37 IP) were the USAFA soaring instructors (glider IP's). Also, I don't think your degree has any bearing on how well you do in pilot training.

 

[BeeVee]

Here is one "sure fire" recipe for flying a fighter in the Air Force...

If you can get into the Academy - GO!

Become a soaring IP, get good grades, and go to ENJJPT at Sheppard for UPT. If you go to Sheppard, you're going to fly a fighter.

Good luck!

 

[JimNtexas]

Here is one "sure fire" recipe for flying a fighter in the Air Force...

If you can get into the Academy - GO!

Become a soaring IP, get good grades, and go to ENJJPT at Sheppard for UPT. If you go to Sheppard, you're going to fly a fighter.

Good luck!

I know they've uploaded the bombs and downloaded the torpedoes a number of times over the years with respect to ENJJPT, but don't some grads from there go to bombers?

 

[BeeVee]

You may be right, I'm dating myself a bit here also...back in the 1990 timeframe all Sheppard grads got a fighter....
Has this changed? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

 

[Bill Mostellar]

Here is one "sure fire" recipe for flying a fighter in the Air Force...

If you can get into the Academy - GO!

Become a soaring IP, get good grades, and go to ENJJPT at Sheppard for UPT. If you go to Sheppard, you're going to fly a fighter.

Good luck!

I trained some ENJJPT pilots to fly the C-21 back in the 90's...so it's not always a guarantee, but it's FAR better than going to any other UPT base.

 

[AlbieF15]

Hence the expressions:

"Did you go to ENJPT?" "Nope...I EARNED my fighter..."

or:

"Do you want the normal MQT or the Euro-NATO MQT" (From the OV-10 days when a guy who got an OV-10 out of Sheppard was a harbinger of bad things...."

 

[Occam's Razor]

I enjoyed my Air Force career. It is the finest pilot training available.

Correction: It is the finest non-Naval flight training available.

Please post your experiences going through Navy Intermediate and Advanced Strike Training. How did your UPT weapons delivery training measure up to what you did in the Navy? Did you feel the ACM training (specifically the 2v1 stuff) you did before getting your wings was better in UPT? Wasn't Carrier Qual a hoot?

Not a huge difference. No more than the difference between Gold and Lead.

 

[Afterprop]

Correction: It is the finest non-Naval flight training available . . . . Not a huge difference. No more than the difference between Gold and Lead.

LMAO . . . and we all pay homage to NATOPS, too. ROTF.

As to the grasshopper's questions, it's hard to economically beat the cost of an Academy education, whether it's Annapolis, the venerated Military place on the Hudson, or the upstart Zoomie Land.

 

[Occam's Razor]

LMAO . . . and we all pay homage to NATOPS, too. ROTF.

NATOPS rocks! Can't sleep? Crack open the big blue sleeping pill...

As to the grasshopper's questions, it's hard to economically beat the cost of an Academy education, whether it's Annapolis, the venerated Military place on the Hudson, or the upstart Zoomie Land.

Agree. Money-wise, it's a no-brainer.



(Now...shhh! I'm luring Scrappy into a turning fight!)

 

[Bill Mostellar]

You may be right, I'm dating myself a bit here also...back in the 1990 timeframe all Sheppard grads got a fighter....
Has this changed? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Unfortunately not. I trained several in C-21's from Sheppard who didn't get fighters. Of course, they were just happy to be offered pilot slots.

 

[AlbieF15]

LMAO . . . and we all pay homage to NATOPS, too. ROTF.

As to the grasshopper's questions, it's hard to economically beat the cost of an Academy education, whether it's Annapolis, the venerated Military place on the Hudson, or the upstart Zoomie Land.

An academy grad friend of mine once passed this cliche on to me...old news to most but it made me laugh at the time:

"A million dollar education--shoved up your @ss a nickel at a time...."

Can't beat the price. But...I'm glad my parents financial planning let me choose another route. However you get there...its worth the effort.

 

[800Dog]

Get an education, some p###y and develop socially. Attend a real college! Enjoy the ride.

 

[ExAF]

Platinum

Not a huge difference. No more than the difference between Gold and Lead.

Since Scrapdog isn't around, I sub for him. It's not Lead, Occam, it's Platinum! No boat training required...THANK GOD!

 

[DarinFred]

To quote a Dos Gringos song...

"But once you're on the deck my friend you'll never be the same
'Cause you're stuck on a boat in the middle of nowhere with five thousand other men
Join the navy? I don't think so"

Academy or ROTC...I'd recommend AF.

 

[RogerMOSA]

Oh boy. Not this again.... Reread this thread. Good "discussion" of the pros/cons of the USNA/USAFA vs ROTC debate.

And as always, disregard all posts by DaveGriffin.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=55372&highlight=Naval+Academy

 

[Occam's Razor]

Since Scrapdog isn't around, I sub for him.

Why is it Scrappy goes "MIA" every 28-days? :laugh:

Oh well...you'll do. I have to type s-l-o-w-l-y when I post for him anyway.:laugh:

It's not Lead, Occam, it's Platinum!

Yeah, right!

If it looks like lead...feels like lead...and flies like lead...

...it's LEAD.

"Platinum" refers to one of the festive shades available for ascots.

 

[Fox-Tree]

An academy grad friend of mine once passed this cliche on to me...old news to most but it made me laugh at the time:

"A million dollar education--shoved up your @ss a nickel at a time...."

Can't beat the price. But...I'm glad my parents financial planning let me choose another route. However you get there...its worth the effort.

I'm sure the Academy's have their moments that you can fondly look back on.

I'd say go for ROTC - have 4 years of normal college life and memories (or lack thereof, on occasion).

I went through AFROTC with the firm belief that you couldn't make 2nd Lt below the zone.

 

[ExAF]

Why is it Scrappy goes "MIA" every 28-days? :laugh:

Oh well...you'll do. I have to type s-l-o-w-l-y when I post for him anyway.:laugh:

Yeah, right!

If it looks like lead...feels like lead...and flies like lead...

...it's LEAD.

OK...Put the comics down and feel free to type at "normal speed." I wouldn't expect a jarhead to know the difference between lead and platinum. Not sure where scrappy is but I'm sure he'll chime in when he can.

"Platinum" refers to one of the festive shades available for ascots.

I keep telling you its scarf, not ascot. Big difference. Ascots were the old SAC missle weenies and sky cops. Scarfs are a tradition dating back to the WWI intrepid aviators. They actually had a function back then (used to wipe oil and spray from the flight goggles). Nobody really wears them any more, but I hear pastel-colored polos are still all the rage on the boat.

 

[Scrapdog]

Why is it Scrappy goes "MIA" every 28-days? :laugh:

Alright, now you've done it you mutherf**ka!!

 

[Occam's Razor]

SCRAPPY!

Don't get miffed, bro. You can still be a Thunderbird!

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