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"In negotiations with major creditors, 400 United executives walked away with 8% of the new company, which is slated to begin NASDAQ trading today under the ticker symbol UAUA. That's a big slice of the pie, even if the shares don't fully vest for four years. It could be worth more than $300 million, based on private trading of shares in the range of $40 to $43 in recent days.

CEO Glenn Tilton could get roughly $40 million in restricted stock and options. That's a generous work-study allowance for someone hired three years ago with no experience in airlines.

So much for the notion that pay should be based on performance. Many of the same executives helped usher in United's demise, which devastated many shareholders, including employees who took stock in return for pay cuts in 1994. It also mocks the notion that bad times necessitate shared sacrifice.

Heretofore, most of the riches in a typical reorganization have gone to lawyers and bankers. But United's bosses realized that the process put them in a strong bargaining position. And they took advantage of it.

To be sure, these executives took a ponderous, money-losing airline, pared it back and reintroduced it as a company with a fighting chance. But that feat was built on slashing labor costs. The company eliminated more than 25% of its jobs, cut salaries and ended its pension plan.

Asking workers to suffer for the good of the company is one thing. Given United's sky-high labor costs, it might even have been unavoidable. But abusing the bankruptcy process to redistribute wealth is crass, cynical - and shameful."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/sharedsacrificenotfortheseairlineexecutives;_ylt=At070i1IPMbjTTCa8zGN6m4DW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
 
WhiteCloud said:
The person that wrote this article is obviously a frustrated pilot who couldn't get on with United. ;)

Or an ex flyi employee with a grudge over the fact that FLYI failed and they have to find someone to blame for being stupid.
 
32LT10 said:
Or an ex flyi employee with a grudge over the fact that FLYI failed and they have to find someone to blame for being stupid.

Or a retiree angry that the current crop of opportunists hosed his pension. That doesn't change the facts that United buried a lot of people during the reorganization and management is walking away (or has the potential to) with millions.
 
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WhiteCloud said:
The person that wrote this article is obviously a frustrated pilot who couldn't get on with United. ;)

Dude, the flamebait wasn't necessary.
Of course, it's not like this subject hasn't been rehashed mutiple times on multiple threads and the OP could have simply added the article on another thread????????????? (HINT!)
 
Yeah, I know this has been hashed and rehashed......


But the one thing I've learned in the pax industry is (Drum roll please!)--

Industry leading contract eventually leads to decline or BK. BK leads to management getting concessions and bookoo bucks.



Come to think of it, they always have the upper hand with periodic periods of patience when it appears they don't. We should always be careful what we ask for. And yes, I know most airline management does stupid things to cause BK. Research the companies you apply to and don't work for the airline, or non-aviation related company, with stupid management.
 
Boeingman said:
Or a retiree angry that the current crop of opportunists hosed his pension. That doesn't change the facts that United buried a lot of people during the reorganization and management is walking away (or has the potential to) with millions.
Or it could just be a fine example of objective, accurate and unbiased reporting.
 
FlyBoeingJets said:
Yeah, I know this has been hashed and rehashed......


But the one thing I've learned in the pax industry is (Drum roll please!)--

Industry leading contract eventually leads to decline or BK. BK leads to management getting concessions and bookoo bucks.



Come to think of it, they always have the upper hand with periodic periods of patience when it appears they don't. We should always be careful what we ask for. And yes, I know most airline management does stupid things to cause BK. Research the companies you apply to and don't work for the airline, or non-aviation related company, with stupid management.



Just curious FBJ- how long did it take you to figure this out? :cartman:
 
"But the one thing I've learned in the pax industry is (Drum roll please!)--

Industry leading contract eventually leads to decline or BK. BK leads to management getting concessions and bookoo bucks. "

I respectfully dissagree.. I think its wastful expenditures by UAL management that resulted in their bankruptcy. How much money could UAL have saved if they didn't try to create Avolar or attempt a merger with US Airways?
 
If theyda gone bankrupt, they could have kept their bonus!

February 1, 2006 7:07 p.m. EST
Continental Air Officers Surrender Restricted Stk Awards
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON -- Continental Airlines Inc. (CAL) disclosed Wednesday that its executives agreed to surrender their outstanding restricted stock units for the performance period ending March 31, 2006.

The company said the executives decided to give up the stock units in light of the wage and benefit cuts taken by the Continental Airlines' employees in the past year.

The company said in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that Chief Executive Larry Kellner, President Jeff Smisek, Executive Vice President of Marketing Jim Compton, Chief Financial Officer Jeff Misner and Chief Operating Officer Mark Moran forfeited their outstanding restricted stock units.

The filing didn't detail how many restricted stock units were outstanding. However, the company said it granted the restricted stock units in April 2004.

Continental Airlines' stock closed Wednesday at $20.31, down 60 cents.

-By Kristina Henderson, Dow Jones Newswire
 
FlyBoeingJets said:
Research the companies you apply to and don't work for the airline, or non-aviation related company, with stupid management.

I don't mean to flame at all as I usually respect the things you say on this forum but...

Name one airline other than SWA, FDX, UPS that is considered a career win-win.

Research my arse...win the lotto more like...Think UAL mid 80s they were the one to beat, now they are just beat down. An aviation career CAN be just too darn long to get it right for the whole thing. You just have to be luckier than the next guy.
 
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Another B6 hater heard from.

Uppercrust said:
Give it 4-5 yrs and Jetblue will be abusing it.
Uppercrust is obviously a B6 reject due to the fact he will use any opportunity or any thread to bash. You got to let go of the hate, it is eating away at your insides, maybe thats why you did not get hired.
 
densoo said:
WASHINGTON -- Continental Airlines Inc. (CAL) disclosed Wednesday that its executives agreed to surrender their outstanding restricted stock units for the performance period ending March 31, 2006.

The company said the executives decided to give up the stock units in light of the wage and benefit cuts taken by the Continental Airlines' employees in the past year.

The company said in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that Chief Executive Larry Kellner, President Jeff Smisek, Executive Vice President of Marketing Jim Compton, Chief Financial Officer Jeff Misner and Chief Operating Officer Mark Moran forfeited their outstanding restricted stock units.
Maybe there's hope yet. Bravo CAL execs!
 
densoo said:
February 1, 2006 7:07 p.m. EST
Continental Air Officers Surrender Restricted Stk Awards
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON -- Continental Airlines Inc. (CAL) disclosed Wednesday that its executives agreed to surrender their outstanding restricted stock units for the performance period ending March 31, 2006.

The company said the executives decided to give up the stock units in light of the wage and benefit cuts taken by the Continental Airlines' employees in the past year.

The company said in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that Chief Executive Larry Kellner, President Jeff Smisek, Executive Vice President of Marketing Jim Compton, Chief Financial Officer Jeff Misner and Chief Operating Officer Mark Moran forfeited their outstanding restricted stock units.

The filing didn't detail how many restricted stock units were outstanding. However, the company said it granted the restricted stock units in April 2004.

Continental Airlines' stock closed Wednesday at $20.31, down 60 cents.

-By Kristina Henderson, Dow Jones Newswire

It will be interesting to see what they "negotiated" for down the road by forfeiting their units (yes, I said units). I am quite certain it wasn't done because it seemed to be the right thing to do. They are, after all, Management!
 
Paul R. Smith said:
...Think UAL mid 80s they were the one to beat, now they are just beat down. An aviation career CAN be just too darn long to get it right for the whole thing. You just have to be luckier than the next guy.

Heard from a UAL F/O about 20 years ago: "I had an offer from PSA, too, and now I'm kickin' myself for not taking it. I could've been a captain there by now, and living in San Diego instead of commuting."

It's all a crapshoot.
 
Paul R. Smith said:
I don't mean to flame at all as I usually respect the things you say on this forum but...

Name one airline other than SWA, FDX, UPS that is considered a career win-win.

Research my arse...win the lotto more like...Think UAL mid 80s they were the one to beat, now they are just beat down. An aviation career CAN be just too darn long to get it right for the whole thing. You just have to be luckier than the next guy.

I hear you. I have pilot buds, furloughed and not furloughed, who are sticking it out at DAL, NWA, AA and UAL. But I know a few pilots who have trained themselves to think independently and they jumped away from those carriers at the right time. (Before the 50% pay cuts or Ch 7). You can wait longer, and maybe you should, but the decision gets harder and harder.

I know a DAL FO who gave 2 weeks notice to start at SWA last year. And I know others who quit UAL to help start up JetBlue or recently worked their tail off to be at FedEx. Most of my buds at DAL are sticking it out and I scratch my head because it makes no sense. With the hiring going on elsewhere this is a great time to leave and they are all blowing it. I think they are afraid of the interview process or they just can't accept the fact they have to throw away the past and start over. Overall, they aren't thinking clearly. They are stuck in the past when they should be focusing on the future.

We all need to put money away, if we can, so if 9/11 happens again we can put our apps out and accept first year pay again. If we work in this turbulent industry we need to train our minds to allow us to bail, if necessary, at a predetermined time. Enjoy the good times but make good decisions in the bad times. Almost impossible for most of us to do without prior disciplined study and thought!!

And no regrets. We can't make perfect decisions so just accept the fact that many, many of us will find ourselves working at the wrong carrier for 5-10 years at some point. Try to make that carrier better, but leave if you have to. Tough to do, but it is necessary to maximimize our carriers.

O.K., no more soap box. I can't get my buddies to listen but I hope y'all understand.
 
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Wicked-Picket said:
If they got hired at Delta, I doubt very much that they are afraid of the interview process!

Afraid of giving up what they have worked years to achieve, even when what is left is not superior anymore. Afraid of starting probation over and, maybe, getting canned during the end of year PC or other infraction. Afraid of making the wrong decision because Captain upgrade is "around the corner". Playing the "What if" game with yourself and hoping an ailing carrier gets its stuff back together is a rampant affliction.

"What if" the growth at SWA, FedEX or UPS suddenly stops and I get stuck on reserve or in the SO seat? "What if" the same problems hit the next company I work for?

There are a lot of mental hurdles to overcome after you get comfortable in your "Dream" job. Drink the koolaid but drink responsibly.
 
jbvt said:
Uppercrust is obviously a B6 reject due to the fact he will use any opportunity or any thread to bash. You got to let go of the hate, it is eating away at your insides, maybe thats why you did not get hired.

The only thing eating away at his insides is the gerbil stuck up in there.
 
Dinger said:
It will be interesting to see what they "negotiated" for down the road by forfeiting their units (yes, I said units). I am quite certain it wasn't done because it seemed to be the right thing to do. They are, after all, Management!

That's exactly what I was thinking.
 

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