US Pilots Flocking to Foreign Carriers...

[FN FAL]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114679336527844550.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

[Metro752]

You know everyone can do whatever they want, but I like being smack dab in the middle of the United States.

I guess the guy could always comandeer a Bus and get a bunch of the americans over there and make a run for safety if anything ever happened.

 

[Say Again Over]

We're put in four- and five-star hotels, on the concierge floors. Captains are treated as vice presidents of the organization."

What a load of crap, this idiot can have all the Middle East he wants, I also have friends at Emirates and Qatar, they paint a very different picture. uke:

 

[waka]

What a load of crap, this idiot can have all the Middle East he wants, I also have friends at Emirates and Qatar, they paint a very different picture. uke:

what is the picture that your friends paint?

 

[Say Again Over]

I decline to give you a list of reasons since I have never worked there, I do have friends at Emirates, Qatar and Gulf Air (all trying to leave), if you are considering going to the Middle East I would highly advise you to get opinions directly from people working there now, try PPRuNe. I've heard enough to keep me away from a direct entry A330.

 

[FN FAL]

You know everyone can do whatever they want, but I like being smack dab in the middle of the United States.

I guess the guy could always comandeer a Bus and get a bunch of the americans over there and make a run for safety if anything ever happened.

Yea, if the SHTF, I could be home from any place I would be while at work in 1 to 1.5 hours by plane...if I don't get shot down first. And if that isn't possible, 4-6 hours in a car if the roads are open.

If you're overseas, you might as well be in outer space if something globally bad happens.

 

[Bjammin]

You know everyone can do whatever they want, but I like being smack dab in the middle of the United States.

Well, I might not be "Smack Dab" in the middle of the US, but San Diego is just fine with me. I spend maybe 3 nights a month in Hong Kong and maybe 7 nights in ANC. I have 6 weeks of vacation a year and never have to based anywhere but LAX for my entire career.

I am very much a patriot. I have been in the military as both an enlisted guy and an officer for over 18 years and still serve today with very much pride. So don't EVER call me out on that.

Some foreign airlines ARE very shaky, but some are extreamy stable. Look at Nippon, JAL, and Cathay.

As everyone says, "To each his own" but don't give up flying and work at Lowes just because you're affraid of the unknown. Do some reaserch. Think of it this way. You are taking money for a foreign company and spending it in America. Exactly opposite of what the illegals are doing.

My goal originally was to work for Delta, American, or United. Since those didn't really work out this seems to be a very good second choice.

 

[typhoonpilot]

I decline to give you a list of reasons since I have never worked there, I do have friends at Emirates, Qatar and Gulf Air (all trying to leave), if you are considering going to the Middle East I would highly advise you to get opinions directly from people working there now, try PPRuNe. I've heard enough to keep me away from a direct entry A330.

Well since I do work at Emirates I'll chime in here. I'm one of the most senior of the 9-11 refugees. Most likely because I found my way overseas as a refugee of Gulf War I as well.

Emirates, like any job, is what you make of it. Flying overseas can be very rewarding, but it isn't for everybody. I agree with the person in the article that I am treated much better than I was in the States. I also have a very competitive pay package on a net basis. I'm very happy in Dubai as is my wife.

Americans aren't traditionally good at being expats like the British and other nationalities. It isn't something that is normal or known so it is hard to explain or convince family members that it can be a good way to advance your career and/or have a better life.

Don't believe everything you see on CNN and Fox news. It's midnight here and I could walk through the poorest part of town without the least bit of worry for my personal safety. Can you do that in your city?

Could our wacko President go postal on Iran in the near future? Yea, maybe, but I'm not going to worry about it too much. I was in Taiwan when the commies were lobbing missiles over the top of the island and it didn't affect daily life there. Two Gulf Wars and SARs have done nothing to slow Emirates growth. A U.S. war with Iran could be a little more problematic, but stuff could happen anywhere and you can't live your life in fear of what might happen.

I see tremendous growth and tremendous opportunity overseas. It's all here for the adventurous to take advantage of.


Typhoonpilot

 

[Metro752]

Well, I might not be "Smack Dab" in the middle of the US, but San Diego is just fine with me. I spend maybe 3 nights a month in Hong Kong and maybe 7 nights in ANC. I have 6 weeks of vacation a year and never have to based anywhere but LAX for my entire career.

I am very much a patriot. I have been in the military as both an enlisted guy and an officer for over 18 years and still serve today with very much pride. So don't EVER call me out on that.

Some foreign airlines ARE very shaky, but some are extreamy stable. Look at Nippon, JAL, and Cathay.

As everyone says, "To each his own" but don't give up flying and work at Lowes just because you're affraid of the unknown. Do some reaserch. Think of it this way. You are taking money for a foreign company and spending it in America. Exactly opposite of what the illegals are doing.

My goal originally was to work for Delta, American, or United. Since those didn't really work out this seems to be a very good second choice.

I never questioned anyones patriotism on this thread. Have whatever FN's drinking and take it easy

 

[pilotyip]

Hiring boom sign

This is all part of the coming hiring boom, world wide shortage of qualified pilots. It will soon hit the US, starting June of 2007.

 

[FN FAL]

I never questioned anyones patriotism on this thread. Have whatever FN's drinking and take it easy

:beer: He's going to have to get his own, I'm down to my last two.

 

[H.Agenda]

Well since I do work at Emirates I'll chime in here. I'm one of the most senior of the 9-11 refugees. Most likely because I found my way overseas as a refugee of Gulf War I as well.

Emirates, like any job, is what you make of it. Flying overseas can be very rewarding, but it isn't for everybody. I agree with the person in the article that I am treated much better than I was in the States. I also have a very competitive pay package on a net basis. I'm very happy in Dubai as is my wife.

Americans aren't traditionally good at being expats like the British and other nationalities. It isn't something that is normal or known so it is hard to explain or convince family members that it can be a good way to advance your career and/or have a better life.

Don't believe everything you see on CNN and Fox news. It's midnight here and I could walk through the poorest part of town without the least bit of worry for my personal safety. Can you do that in your city?

Could our wacko President go postal on Iran in the near future? Yea, maybe, but I'm not going to worry about it too much. I was in Taiwan when the commies were lobbing missiles over the top of the island and it didn't affect daily life there. Two Gulf Wars and SARs have done nothing to slow Emirates growth. A U.S. war with Iran could be a little more problematic, but stuff could happen anywhere and you can't live your life in fear of what might happen.

I see tremendous growth and tremendous opportunity overseas. It's all here for the adventurous to take advantage of.


Typhoonpilot

Typhoon, tell us more about dubai... Beaver quality, night life, people, language barriers, attitude towards americans..odd laws..

What does your wife do for a living? How difficult is it for the woman to find a job? Mine's a nurse..

Are women second class citizens there?

 

[GogglesPisano]

Bjammin:

Any cold-shoulders against Yanks at Cathay? I heard the British and Auusie crews can be a bit condescending to us.

 

[Waldom]

Pilotyip; There is not now a hiring boom, since 1903 there never was a hiring boom, and there never will be a pilot hiring boom. How long have you been in this profession?

 

[pilotyip]

Pilot Shortage right around the corner

Waldon, I guess you do not underastand the rule of 7 and 2, all years ending in 7 there are a lot of piltos jobs, in years ending in 2 there are not a lot of pilot jobs. There is growing worldwide shortage of pilots, Boeing says worldwide need in the next 14 years 340,000 pilots. 16,000 to China in the next four years alone. Look at what the lower end companies are doing to fill their classes. It is coming, 5 times as many pilot jobs in 2007 as in 2002.

 

[Waldom]

Pilotyip; you're right, I don't understand the 7 and 2 rule. I do understand that Boeing and many other folks have been talking about pilot shortages for the last 103 years and it hasn't happened yet.

Starry-eyed kids at Riddle believe this stuff: you're old and experienced enough to know better.

 

[inline]

Well since I do work at Emirates I'll chime in here. I'm one of the most senior of the 9-11 refugees. Most likely because I found my way overseas as a refugee of Gulf War I as well.

Emirates, like any job, is what you make of it. Flying overseas can be very rewarding, but it isn't for everybody. I agree with the person in the article that I am treated much better than I was in the States. I also have a very competitive pay package on a net basis. I'm very happy in Dubai as is my wife.

Americans aren't traditionally good at being expats like the British and other nationalities. It isn't something that is normal or known so it is hard to explain or convince family members that it can be a good way to advance your career and/or have a better life.

Don't believe everything you see on CNN and Fox news. It's midnight here and I could walk through the poorest part of town without the least bit of worry for my personal safety. Can you do that in your city?

Could our wacko President go postal on Iran in the near future? Yea, maybe, but I'm not going to worry about it too much. I was in Taiwan when the commies were lobbing missiles over the top of the island and it didn't affect daily life there. Two Gulf Wars and SARs have done nothing to slow Emirates growth. A U.S. war with Iran could be a little more problematic, but stuff could happen anywhere and you can't live your life in fear of what might happen.

I see tremendous growth and tremendous opportunity overseas. It's all here for the adventurous to take advantage of.


Typhoonpilot

If Bush is "wacko" what on earth is that kook in Iran? You've got the wrong president identified as wacko.

 

[H.Agenda]

Pilotyip; you're right, I don't understand the 7 and 2 rule. I do understand that Boeing and many other folks have been talking about pilot shortages for the last 103 years and it hasn't happened yet.

Starry-eyed kids at Riddle believe this stuff: you're old and experienced enough to know better.

What did Riddle ever do besides charge too much for education?

Someone please tell me the 7 and 2 rule, I'm getting starry-eyed just thinking about it!

 

[typhoonpilot]

Typhoon, tell us more about dubai... Beaver quality, night life, people, language barriers, attitude towards americans..odd laws..

What does your wife do for a living? How difficult is it for the woman to find a job? Mine's a nurse..

Are women second class citizens there?

In order:

There are no rivers so I haven't seen any beavers.

Very active night life.

Lots of people.

No language barriers, just cultural.

Most Americans don't have any issues with other people. Half the Middle Eastern people I meet have family or friends living in the States. Either that or they went to school there or go there all the time on vacation. Dubai is not CNN's version of the Middle East.

Lots of odd laws. Un-wed couples may not live together ( but it happens all the time ). A single woman who gets pregnant will get thrown in jail for adultery . Again, happens a lot and the doctors/nurses get them out of the country before the authorities find out. Flipping somebody the bird is a big no-no. Jail time followed by deportation is the usualy penalty for that.

My wife raises our child and takes care of me. That's a full time job.

A nurse can find a job in a heartbeat.

TP

P.S. The Iranian Pres. is also a wacko. Two wackos at odds over an issue could turn ugly, but I'm hopeful cooler heads will prevail.

 

[Bjammin]

I never questioned anyones patriotism on this thread. Have whatever FN's drinking and take it easy

I wasn't thinking you were. I just wanted to warn off any future remarks.

I have been drinking, actually quite a bit. I have been enjoying my time off to the MAX.


There is a little anti-americanism, but only to guys that personify the "Ugly American" concept. I have shown that myself after a big night in Hong Kong.

Overall though if you understand it is there "train set" and have any civility what-so-ever you will do more boozing and partying with these guys then anywhere else. They are a very professional pilot group, but I mostly fly with Candians and Americans being based out of LAX.