US Airways to Apply for China Service

[FDJ2]

AP
US Airways to Apply for China Service
Friday February 9, 5:39 pm ET US Airways Wants China Service, Asks for Hold on Delta Bid

TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) -- US Airways Group Inc. on Friday said it will apply to offer nonstop service to China and asked the U.S. Department of Transportation to put off considering a request for similar service by Delta Air Lines Inc. until its application can be considered.
The request pits US Airways against Delta just a week after the Tempe-based company's effort to buy the bankrupt airline for $9.8 billion was rejected by Delta's creditors committee.
Delta applied for federal approval to fly between its Atlanta base and Shanghai on Jan. 19, saying in its application that it wanted to begin flights by March, 2008.
US Airways said it has been considering a route to China "for quite some time" and is now working with U.S. and Chinese airports it is considering serving. It did not disclose the cities it may serve.
The transportation department reviews proposals for service to China under a 2004 agreement that called for 195 new weekly flights phased in over a six-year period. United Airlines won final approval for a nonstop route from Washington to Beijing this week after an aggressive competition
Airlines want the routes to tap into the booming Chinese economy.
US Airways urged the government to follow its previous practice of comparing competing proposals before awarding routes.
"There is no reason to deviate from that longstanding practice now, more than a year before the frequencies at issue even become available," US Airways said in its filing.
Delta issued a statement saying it was eager to "compete vigorously" for the route.
"We filed the first request of any airline for these frequencies," the Delta statement said. "We are confident the DOT will agree that our proposal to bring the first ever China service to the Southeastern United States is superior to any other proposal."
US Airways shares fell $1.17, or 2 percent, to close at $58.14 in Friday trading on the New York Stock Exchange. The stock has ranged between $29.55 and $63.27 over the past year.

 

[PropPiedmont]

Cool. They can continue the Mesa contract overseas.

 

[Pat Fabin]

And they would serve this route with what aircraft? If they have been truly planning on serving China, why the lack of detail? Other than that's just how Parker does things....worries about those little "details" later. Like the complete lack of a widebody fleet to carry out the flying.

Obviously he's just going to be a thorn in our side for awhile. At least now we know he's not smoking anything...just drinking.

 

[737 Pylt]

AP
US Airways to Apply for China Service
Friday February 9, 5:39 pm ET US Airways Wants China Service, Asks for Hold on Delta Bid

TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) -- US Airways Group Inc. on Friday said it will apply to offer nonstop service to China and asked the U.S. Department of Transportation to put off considering a request for similar service by Delta Air Lines Inc. until its application can be considered.

Maybe he should spend his time and money on his defense team!
This prick is just not going to go away easy!
He's like the little kid in school who didn't get it his way and is taking his ball and going home!
737

 

[LearLove]

great - I can just see our senior pennsyltucky farm boys flyin in China. Can you international incident???

 

[avrodriver]

No orders or current fleet type able to fly such a route, I'm sure they have a shot!

The 20 A-350's they have on order seem like they would do the trick, although it doesn't seem like those are coming anytime soon.

The A350-800 can fly 270 passengers up to 8,500 nm./15,750 km. in a spacious three-class configuration. The A350-900 will have a range of 8,400 nm./15,540 km., while the A350-1000 version can fly a distance of 8,300 nm./15,400 km., with seating capacities for 314 and 350 passengers, respectively.

The A350 XWB was given its industrial launch in December 2006. This followed the A350 Family's commercial launch in December 2004, which subsequently achieved a strong market base, including: Spain's Air Europa with 10 commitments, Kuwaiti leasing company Alafco with 12, American leasing companies CIT, GECAS and ILFC with commitments for five, 10 and 16 aircraft respectively, India's Kingfisher Airlines with five, Qatar Airways with 60, Brazil's TAM with 10, America's US Airways with 20, Eurofly with three, TAP with 10, Finnair with nine, Bangkok Airways with six, and six for Yemen Airways.

 

[AA717driver]

And the A350 crews are in training in PIT, I assume...TC

 

[Marko Ramius]

No orders or current fleet type able to fly such a route, I'm sure they have a shot!

Remember AA and the 747SP? Would it be that hard for them to get Airbus or some lessor to round up a few A340's to do the route if awarded? It would be minimal training for their A330 pilots, and likely a minimal mx change outside of the engines although they already have plenty of CFM experience. When the 350's show up, toss the A340's. What's more interesting is why they are trying this. Looks like they are getting far more serious about the prospect of being a standalone carrier. They still have A330's on order, could they start mimicking the other carriers and upping their int'l service out of the east coast to Europe and start introducing service out west in PHX and LAS?

 

[Wiskey Driver]

No orders or current fleet type able to fly such a route, I'm sure they have a shot!

The plan is to lease 5 A340's from air canada to do this type of flying.

WD.

 

[Occam's Razor]

No orders or current fleet type able to fly such a route, I'm sure they have a shot!

AWA did something sorta similar in 1990. They announced they were gonna start flying PHX and LAS to HNL. They went to Asia and bought a couple of B747-200's. When the Whales got to the US, the FAA gave AWA a laundry list of the things they needed to do to get the aircraft in compliance.

While they worked on the Whales, which I don't think ever entered service, we flew a wet lease for AWA in our DC-10's. Our crews, our jets, with AWA napkins, linens, cups, meals, inflight magazines, etc. It was a sweet trip in the winter...long layovers at all stops. I did a couple of them and remember how nice the AWA gate agents treated thier non-revs.

After several months AWA lost too much $$ paying us to fly for them so they bailed on the deal.

Those Whales looked pretty cool on the ramp there in PHX, though.

 

[FDJ2]

The plan is to lease 5 A340's from air canada to do this type of flying.

WD.

What flavor kool aid are they serving you in Tempe these days, bourbon, or scotch?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The plan is to scamble and get some jets. Is that it? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

LCC doesn't have the aircraft, the trained crews, or the maintenance program for those A340s.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Parker doesn't have a plan.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

What flavor kool aid are they serving you in Tempe these days, bourbon, or scotch?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The plan is to scamble and get some jets. Is that it? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

LCC doesn't have the aircraft, the trained crews, or the maintenance program for those A340s.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Parker doesn't have a plan.

Funny how when YOU were getting teased about the merger you personally cried like a little baby and accused me of being a, how did you put it "sick puppy". I see that same old Delta arrogent mentality is a live and well huh F2??

What's worse yet, in your haste to tell Delta pilots that their contractual protections mean very little, you failed to adequately research your statement of the "LAW".

Why on earth are you even interested in propogating the notion that a CBA means very little, even if you truly believe it to fellow ALPA pilots who are in such a hostile environment and are struggling to exit BK?. Why not just STFU and keep it to yourself?

Oh, that's right, in a previous thread you stated you were just kidding and enjoyed yanking the Delta pilots chain. You are a sick puppy.

Stop embarrassing yourself, take a break from this forum and come back when you grow up just a little.
Last edited by FDJ2 : 01-22-2007 at 02:52.

WD.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

AWA did something sorta similar in 1990. They announced they were gonna start flying PHX and LAS to HNL. They went to Asia and bought a couple of B747-200's. When the Whales got to the US, the FAA gave AWA a laundry list of the things they needed to do to get the aircraft in compliance.

While they worked on the Whales, which I don't think ever entered service, we flew a wet lease for AWA in our DC-10's. Our crews, our jets, with AWA napkins, linens, cups, meals, inflight magazines, etc. It was a sweet trip in the winter...long layovers at all stops. I did a couple of them and remember how nice the AWA gate agents treated thier non-revs.

After several months AWA lost too much $$ paying us to fly for them so they bailed on the deal.


Those Whales looked pretty cool on the ramp there in PHX, though.

Occam's, the 747's did enter service here and were flown by AWA crews.

WD.

 

[737 Pylt]

Funny how when YOU were getting teased about the merger you personally cried like a little baby and accused me of being a, how did you put it "sick puppy". I see that same old Delta arrogent mentality is a live and well huh F2??

WD.

I guess the same old awa stupidity is growing even more rampant! Maybe your CEO is leading by example. We won't even mention the fiasco in MIA by former awa pilots!

737

 

[Wiskey Driver]

I guess the same old awa stupidity is growing even more rampant! Maybe your CEO is leading by example. We won't even mention the fiasco in MIA by former awa pilots!

737

So how does what this CEO did reflect on this group of pilots?? If we are to us that philosphy then what great statements or ridicule do you have for your CEO that placed you in bankrupcy?? Should we at profitable carriers look upon you and your pilot group as the welfare recipients of the industry?? Just tell me how this game is supposed to be played and we will use those rules...

WD.

 

[737 Pylt]

So how does what this CEO did reflect on this group of pilots?? If we are to us that philosphy then what great statements or ridicule do you have for your CEO that placed you in bankrupcy??

Well then I guess you forgot about awa's trip into bk....Oh yeah, you were still scratching your daddy's shorts back then. OK then, what about the fact that doogie admitted that without the ATSB loans that you wouldn't even exist today!?!

Should we at profitable carriers look upon you and your pilot group as the welfare recipients of the industry?? Just tell me how this game is supposed to be played and we will use those rules...

WD.

Just how much of that profitability came from the "east side?" Are your 2 companies even combined yet? Just wondering, besides, this is all in good fun, remember??

Having fun, former TSA and AirWis, never applied to Delta so never been interviewed to be turned down, again having fun ruffling the feathers. Mostly messing with the General Lee

737

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Well then I guess you forgot about awa's trip into bk....Oh yeah, you were still scratching your daddy's shorts back then. OK then, what about the fact that doogie admitted that without the ATSB loans that you wouldn't even exist today!?!

Ok maybe that's true and maybe it isn't but we are speaking about the here and now. USAirways east and west profitable by the tune of half a billion!! DAL broke and bankrupt!! Now keep in mind that the chances are REAL good that we were at TSA at the same time so the comment about my pops is no doubt out of line. I didn't bring ya mama into this but I can go in the bed room and wake her up if you like


Just how much of that profitability came from the "east side?" Are your 2 companies even combined yet? Just wondering, besides, this is all in good fun, remember??


737

I'm cool with the jokes and having fun but I just want you to remember how much you flew off during the time when you guys were getting teased!

WD.

 

[737 Pylt]

Ok maybe that's true and maybe it isn't but we are speaking about the here and now. USAirways east and west profitable by the tune of half a billion!! DAL broke and bankrupt!! Now keep in mind that the chances are REAL good that we were at TSA at the same time so the comment about my pops is no doubt out of line. I didn't bring ya mama into this but I can go in the bed room and wake her up if you like

That's no way to talk about your sister! And she needs her beauty rest right now!

I'm cool with the jokes and having fun but I just want you to remember how much you flew off during the time when you guys were getting teased!

WD.

And now you're flying off by getting teased!:beer:

737

 

[RJAA]

Airlines do these sort of thing. US Air and TWA has applied for NRT slots in the past even though they both had no airplanes to make it across the pond. Something like PHL-NRT with US Air's B767 and TWA STL-NRT with raggidy B747-100 built in the late 60s to early 70s. Both had no range to pull such a thing.

 

[FDJ2]

Funny how when YOU were getting teased about the merger you personally cried like a little baby and accused me of being a, how did you put it "sick puppy". I see that same old Delta arrogent mentality is a live and well huh F2??

Arrogant? Hardly, but I guess you're the type of guy who likes to dish it out, but you can't take it.

You ought to be worried about the empty suit running LCC, the man has no plan other than to get another drink at the Bird's Nest.

I hope I didn't hurt your little feelings, but the fact is that you don't have an aircraft that can serve the route and you have none scheduled for delivery. I suppose you could file with the DOT and "promise" to get an aircraft, the trained crews and a maintenance program for that service, but I don't think any one in his right mind would believe that LCC can deliver on that promise at this time. Unless of course they are drinking more of Parker's kool aid. Btw, what is the flavor of the Kool aid in Tempe this year, scotch or bourbon.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[FDJ2]

Should we at profitable carriers look upon you and your pilot group as the welfare recipients of the industry?? .

Hmmmm, welfare recipients, let's see 3 separate BK filings and 2 separate government ATSB loans to stay in business. I guess we know who the welfare child in the industry is.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hey, don't take it personally Whiskey Driver (perfect name for an LCC pilot btw), I just like pulling the leg of arrogant LCC pilots.

 

[ableone]

You appear to be a dick.

 

[General Lee]

You appear to be a dick.

Nah, he just knows what he is talking about. Really, he does. That may sound arrogant to some though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ableone]

I stand by my original statement.

An endorsement from you is not really convincing.

You guys do seem to be obssesing about the potential China application.

I have no idea what the USAir plan is (i.e city pairs, frequencies, fleets etc.) assuming that there is a plan, but a lack of airframes is not a problem. Negotiating rates and workrules for a new type will take longer and be more complicated than acquiring aircraft. 777s are available, though expensive, on the lease market and airbus is just about willing to give away 340-600s.

I think that the merger fall through is good for USAir pilots but not that good for the widget pilots.

Delta's future is far from certain.

 

[General Lee]

I stand by my original statement.

An endorsement from you is not really convincing.

You guys do seem to be obssesing about the potential China application.

I have no idea what the USAir plan is (i.e city pairs, frequencies, fleets etc.) assuming that there is a plan, but a lack of airframes is not a problem. Negotiating rates and workrules for a new type will take longer and be more complicated than acquiring aircraft. 777s are available, though expensive, on the lease market and airbus is just about willing to give away 340-600s.

I think that the merger fall through is good for USAir pilots but not that good for the widget pilots.

Delta's future is far from certain.

And you are an expert..... USAir wanted Delta because they were scared of us. They knew we would come out of BK stronger and leaner, and we will be ready to fight. I think Parker may try playing spin the bottle, and where ever the bottle ends up on the route map, is where they will try to start service to China from. Maybe it will land on Ashville, NC! Sounds logical to me.....

Delta's future is FAR better now that USAir is out of the picture. If there is a round of mergers in the future, NWA and DL will likely get together, and so will CAL/UAL. If that happens, then USAir's future will be cloudy and blurred, primarily from the pounding they will get from the rest of us....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ableone]

Wow, sensative arent we?

I really don't think Parker tried to merge because he was afraid of an anemic Delta. Delta has never been weaker than they are right now.

Most of the merger talk was in response to USAirways actions. Now that the Delta merger has faded all of the other merger discussions seem to have been back burnered as well.

With respect to a Northwest/Delta merger, be careful what you wish for; Should it come to pass I think you will very much wish that the USAir offer had been accepted.

I know this will have little impact as you clearly live in a world of your own making.

 

[General Lee]

Wow, sensative arent we?

I really don't think Parker tried to merge because he was afraid of an anemic Delta. Delta has never been weaker than they are right now.

Most of the merger talk was in response to USAirways actions. Now that the Delta merger has faded all of the other merger discussions seem to have been back burnered as well.

With respect to a Northwest/Delta merger, be careful what you wish for; Should it come to pass I think you will very much wish that the USAir offer had been accepted.

I know this will have little impact as you clearly live in a world of your own making.

Say what? Are you serious? If there has to be a merger, we would want one with little overlap so there would be less job loss, and one that is complementary to our route map. NWA and DL fit very well. As far as merging seniority lists, that would be complex, but the ALPA merger policy is there for a reason, and no one wins a windfall. NWA's DC9s are on the way out, and Boeing would love to sell them planes that could match our combined fleet. Remember, I said IF A MERGER HAS TO HAPPEN.


And, Parker was and is scared of Delta. Our debt was trimmed from near $20 billion to $7.5 billion, and our balance sheet is cleaned up. We will be stronger and a large order of Boeings will be announced shortly. We will be expanding INTL flights, and maybe getting a 100 seater or at least more 737-700s to compete in the NE. Parker knew this, and now he will see it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ableone]

Here we will have to agree to disagree. I doubt very much that fear was a compelling motivator.

With respect to mainline job cuts; I believe Parker was sincere in his statements that no mainline job cuts would occur. Not because I think he is a great guy who has pilot's interests at heart but because:

1. he has experienced furloughs and has found them to be expensive in the long run and
2. He intended to make a large mainline order at the conclusion of the merger.

Northwest is planning to replace their DC-9-30s - with EMB-190s or the large CRJ that has been simmering. At USAir those fleet types are operated by mainline pilots. At Northwest they will be flown by either Pinnacle or Compass.

You will not enjoy a Northwest merger. You missed the boat.

 

[737 Pylt]

You appear to be a dick!

737

 

[ableone]

Well, it's good to see that the second grade recess mentality is alive and well in the south.