US Airways Take it or Leave it Recall

[Crzipilot]

The furlough protection for 12 months was part of the east side seniority arbitration. Part of their reasoning, for some protection of the West pilots was, that at the time the list in integrated, Any EAST pilot recalled, no matter where he fell in the seniority list, would be furloughed prior to a West pilot for a period of 12 months after his recall.
As the arbitration has not been published, and we have not idea what fences, or protections or whatever, there is no way in knowing what is about to transpire.

On a further note. Jun 10th class is down to July 19, 99 class....

 

[Crzipilot]

Oh and Bender, not sure what class you would have been, But I know in April 2nd class there were 767I positions...

 

[LittleDeuce]

April 1 class

Oh and Bender, not sure what class you would have been, But I know in April 2nd class there were 767I positions...

and, two 767I slots went unfilled

 

[BenderGonzales]

aww jeez. Now that hurts my shiny jet syndrome. <sigh>

 

[Crzipilot]

and, two 767I slots went unfilled

do you know how many 767I slots are left to be filled???

 

[U2FDX]

11/99 class,and just got the registered mail letter for E190 recall. No firm class offered just from april to dec 07. There was an option to bypass.

 

[Crzipilot]

FYI: posted today on the alpa web board by furlough admin.


The company is in the process of sending out letters for a recall to the 190 FO positions. They will recall 26 pilots for the 190 from now through December. They will additionally recall an additional 164 pilots to Group 2 or better aircraft later in the year. The letters going out now are ONLY for the 190 positions. The additional slots will be filled after the 190 positions are filled.
Pilots still have the ability to bypass the 190 FO position as long as they like. If you accept a 190 position and you have not begun Indoc class, you can subsequently get a better aircraft if your seniority allows. However once you begin training you are locked into the 190 for 12 months from when you begin Indoc.
If you pass on the 190, the additional 164 positions will be filled in seniority starting from the top of the list again so you will have another opportunity for recall. If you decide to pass on the 190 and you don't get one of the 164 positions and there are junior people to you who have accepted a position on the 190, you cannot later change your mind and bump them out of a position.
Some letters were sent out Friday and the remainder will go out this week.

 

[BenderGonzales]

I also received the April 4th letter today. It says they are recalling 26 to the E190 between April and December. It says subsequent letters should be coming to staff 164 additional Group I and II F/O positions.

Obviously, with any E190 recalls, I will bypass.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Question: A colleague who had 15 years in with East before his post-9/11 furlough has so far declined recall and doesn't plan on going back. Another colleague who retired from East about 6 years ago suggested he make an arrangement with our current employer, accept recall, then immediately retire and return to his current employment. That way, he can at least collect some of the pension (paltry though it certainly and sadly is) he earned during his 15 years with the company. It that even possible? He's a good guy and very happy to have landed where he did and I support any effort to squeeze the maximum out of the schmucks that altered his career so dramatically.

 

[m80drvr]

odd, I'm a 8/99 hire and did not get a letter. anyone else in the 8/99 time frame get letters yet?

Anyone have the number to check your status?

 

[LearLove]

odd, I'm a 8/99 hire and did not get a letter. anyone else in the 8/99 time frame get letters yet?

Anyone have the number to check your status?

it will be a certified letter - so you'll have to be there to sign for or pick it up - maybe the mailman still has yours.

 

[Crzipilot]

Question: A colleague who had 15 years in with East before his post-9/11 furlough has so far declined recall and doesn't plan on going back. Another colleague who retired from East about 6 years ago suggested he make an arrangement with our current employer, accept recall, then immediately retire and return to his current employment. That way, he can at least collect some of the pension (paltry though it certainly and sadly is) he earned during his 15 years with the company. It that even possible? He's a good guy and very happy to have landed where he did and I support any effort to squeeze the maximum out of the schmucks that altered his career so dramatically.

My understading, is many guys have done this. They have acceptted recall and retired immediately, not having to show up in class. This allows the pre-99 DOH guys to collect their lump sum payment, and if enough time served, have retirement travel and such, and collect the pension. I believe a few guys at Net Jets have done this. I believe the lump sum payment is equal to 1000/yr of service. This is dumped into the defined contribution account I think. Charmane can answer more questions....

 

[sayagain?]

odd, I'm a 8/99 hire and did not get a letter. anyone else in the 8/99 time frame get letters yet?

Anyone have the number to check your status?

8/99 and my letter came yesterday.

 

[Swaayze]

gutshotdraw,

Yes, I believe in a furlough administrator update a while back he stated there is an agreement with the company to allow a pilot to accept recall in order to retire immediately but never show up for class. The pilot would be placed "in class" for 1 day to trigger his benefits but the slot would actually go to someone else and the retiring pilot would not have to actually be in the employ of the company. Check the pilots' website or call Charmane for verification/clarification.

Just double checked for you: This info seems to be correct per the Nov 2006 Furlough Adminstrator update.

 

[Swaayze]

"It says subsequent letters should be coming to staff 164 additional Group I and II F/O positions."

Dang. What to do?

Word for word from this month's Money magazine:

"Research also shows that making tradeoffs for a higher salary, such as accepting a longer commute or giving up time with family and friends, is rarely worth it."

She might as well have said "Hey Swaayze.....". DFW-PHL for the next 20-25 years and less time with my twin Kindergartners vs. considerably mo' money and relief from BJS (Big Jet Syndrome; I have a very minor case relating to the 757. There, I said it.), hmmmmm?

OTOH my wise buddy BeCareful is doing all he can to convince me that the smart move is really to go back, all while restraining himself from what he really wants to do (call me a "Dumbass" in true Butthead fashion).

 

[gutshotdraw]

Thanks Crzipilot and Swaayze. Good gouge. Best of luck to East and West in the coming months.

 

[BenderGonzales]

So any speculation when the next 156 group 1 and 2 recalls are going to start?

 

[surfnfly]

Hey Crizipilot, Do you know if they have filled the group 2 on the last bid and the junior guy/gal.

 

[LittleFokker]

According to the furlough administrator the junior pilot on the 5/21 class has a doh of 7/5/1999 with 21 remaining to be recalled for the class on 6/11th.
lf

 

[m80drvr]

Will someone please PM me the AAA HR phone number. Sitll no letter as of today. I want to find out if I am still on the recall list.

Thanks

 

[Swaayze]

Rumor from somewhere else is that a 8/99 guy was called and bypassed G2+ for the June class. Bottom number in the last may class was supposedly #1330 on the APL (middle of the 7/5/99 class).

 

[BenderGonzales]

Still in the mid 99s. Looking at another 500 guys before they hit the bottom.

 

[sean67]

I got called for class.Not sure of the class date....I still have to call back. But, I'm a 3 Aug/99 hire. I'll be accepting recall w/ immediate military LOA.

When I call today, I'll ask some questions and post them for more info.


sean

 

[DougsRule]

I got called for class.Not sure of the class date....I still have to call back. But, I'm a 3 Aug/99 hire. I'll be accepting recall w/ immediate military LOA.

When I call today, I'll ask some questions and post them for more info.


sean

Group 2 or E-190 recall? Which class was it? Thanks

 

[ALGFLYR]

Group 2 or E-190 recall? Which class was it? Thanks

Most likely group II, I know others in that range that received the offer on Group II equipment.

 

[Crzipilot]

Prob. for the June 7th class, and there's 2 190 positions wandering around (at least there were) 19 or 20 people in that class.

In addition perm. bid 07-04 was published today and it shows 130 more recalls.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Group 2 or E-190 recall? Which class was it? Thanks

They have not even started filling the (26) E-190 slots yet, they are first going to fill all of the Group II positions in this current bid, with all that want to accept a 'Group II or better' position. After all of those positions are filled, then they will recall for the E-190 positons for those who want to accept them.

Not sure when the next bid will be published, but the next 164 recalls for Group II will be in that bid, is my guess. And again, they will start from the top of the list again.

For what its worth.

 

[sean67]

Group 2 or E-190 recall? Which class was it? Thanks

Accepted the 11 June class of group 2 or better...but it doesn't mattter. I'll be on immediate mil. leave. I'll send more info. as I get it. Good luck!