Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

US Airways Mechanics may "walkout"

  • Thread starter Thread starter SWA/FO
  • Start date Start date
  • Watchers Watchers 6

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web

SWA/FO

5 Star Senior Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2001
Posts
3,520
US Airways Mechanics Not Hopeful

Walkout Possible If Contract Is Voided



By Keith L. Alexander
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 4, 2005; Page E01




The head of the mechanics union at US Airways said yesterday the group is not optimistic about reaching an agreement with the airline before a critical hearing Thursday and raised the prospect that the unit could walk off the job if a court allows the current labor contract to be voided.

US Airways Group Inc. has asked the union to accept substantial pay and job cuts and, failing that, has asked a U.S. bankruptcy judge to allow it to nullify the contract. Federal Bankruptcy Judge Stephen S. Mitchell is scheduled to rule on that request Thursday.
[font=verdana, ms sans serif, arial][size=-2][font=verdana, ms sans serif, arial][size=-2][font=verdana, ms sans serif, arial][size=-2][font=verdana, ms sans serif, arial][size=-2]
[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]Randy Canale, president of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers unit at US Airways, said the group could choose to "withhold our services" if the contract is voided. The timing of the action would depend on how much additional time -- if any -- the judge grants both sides to reach a consensual agreement. Mitchell has urged both sides to come to an agreement, but US Airways has insisted that it needs to make the cuts by mid-January, when aircraft payments are due.

Negotiators were scheduled to return to the bargaining table today. Canale said the group was still "focused" on reaching an agreement with US Airways executives. But reaching an agreement doesn't seem likely, he said.

"I can't say we're optimistic. We're not even close," he added.

Christopher L. Chiames, US Airways' senior vice president of corporate affairs, said the airline would "continue to try to reach consensual agreements" with the union, he said, "just as we have done with all other work groups."

Under the Railway Labor Act, airline workers are barred from walking off their jobs before negotiations overseen by the National Mediation Board have been exhausted.

Union officials say the act's strike prohibition applies as long as a contract is in place. But if Mitchell nullifies the machinists' contract, the group said, it would no longer be bound by the federal rule.

Colorado-based airline consultant Michael J. Boyd of the Boyd Group and other observers have said it is not clear that workers have the right to strike if the contract is nullified. But, Boyd said, whether US Airways machinists can walk off their jobs may not be that important because simply preparing for a walkout would be the beginning of the end for the airline.

"We're kind of talking about should we drill another hole in the bottom of the Titanic," Boyd said. "If you go on strike now, fine, but don't walk the picket line, just go to the unemployment office. . . . By the time they work out the logistics of it, US Air will be long gone."

The union, which represents 3,600 US Airways mechanics and baggage handlers, has adamantly opposed the airline's demand for more than $225 million in concessions, which amounts to a cut in pay and benefits of up to 23 percent.

Relations between the machinists and US Airways have steadily worsened in recent weeks. During the Christmas weekend, US Airways canceled about 450 flights and misplaced thousands of pieces of luggage. US Airways executives quickly blamed workers and bad weather for the disruptions. But Canale said the airline has been poorly managed, especially at its Philadelphia hub.

US Airways -- which employs about 28,000 workers -- said it must secure nearly $1 billion in annual labor cost savings within the coming weeks to remain in business, and the machinists group is the only union at the nation's seventh-largest carrier to not negotiate a deal. US Airways flight attendants are scheduled to vote on a proposal tomorrow.

If the flight attendants vote against their revised contract, then they would also be subject to Mitchell's ruling.
 
Dejavu!

Remember Eastern? As posted in other threads, U's demise would not only mean thousands without jobs, but would also cause severe problems in the industry, primarily with the contract carriers. Their loss of income would then spread to their requirement to survive. This would cause "the great race" to the bottom competing for any additional work. It will effect us greatly. I am one that hopes U makes it. But if they dont, get ready for a heck of a speed bump!
 
You know what though? I certainly appreciate their frustration at being asked for concession after concession. I know we've done this already, but when do we ever hear of Mgmt taking cuts alongside "labor"? I think if I was a mechanic or FA there, I would do the same thing. I realize that even if Mgmt worked for free it wouldn't matter, but the point is that it is the gesture that counts. It's that missing ingredient that is plagueing corporate America. There have been several great threads about it. It's basic human nature - why would someone give up so much just to be taken advantage of by Mgmt? Why should Mgmt be immune from the pain?


Any one of the labor groups has total control of the survival of the airline at their fingertips. Maybe it's time to see how bad Mgmt wants to keep THEIR jobs.
 
Oh, forgot to mention: I may be naive here, but I'm not sure I agree with Tim's post. Seems to me there are too many seats out there flying around. Maybe I'm wrong, and if so then maybe someone could 'splain it to me in a different way, but I don't see how U going out of business would severely hurt the industry. Don't get me wrong, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYONE LOSE THEIR JOBS. There are a lot of good people there. I'm just saying I don't see how it would adversely affect other carriers.
 
The only ones who wouldn't be hurt if USAIR went out of business would be management. Remember Martin Shugrue and Charlie Bryan (IAM) were still making million dollar salaries years after everyone else had left Eastern.

GV











~
 
Last edited:
if US Airways goes down it will help the legacy airlines in the international market, but it would speed up the race to the bottom in the regional market; because there will be a lot USAirways xpress carriers looking for a home. Therefore, it would increase comptetion and more pilots willing to work for less.
 
I agree with most of what y'all say.

At what point do you say "enough is enough"?

I am sure managment will be fine. They be able to live a great lifestyle without ever working again with their golden parachute. If they do feel like "working" (if that's what you call running a company into the ground), I am sure their buddies will get them on with another company to steal from....uh, I mean work at.
 
GVFlyer said:
The only ones who wouldn't be hurt if USAIR went out of business would be management.

Not exactly...you failed to mention SWA and JetBlue...WN and B6 gain big if USAIR liquidates. WN more than B6 with the capital to grow PHL and move into CLT and PIT.

The bottom line is there is overcapacity in the system and some carriers have business models that only work due to the umbrella called Chapter 11. It's a matter of time before someone else rolls snakeyes.
 
Big Duke Six said:

Seems to me there are too many seats out there flying around.

That is what is so rotten about this situation. One of the best shots in the arm the other majors could use would be for Airways to fold and reduce capacity. But a lot of good people would be out of work, and nobody wants that. Darned if you do, darned if you don't (kept clean for the censors). Gotta love this industry.

Best of luck to the Airways folks.
 
I have heard that if U fails (maybe when) SWA has asked PHL for 45 gates.
 
I don't see any reduced capacity when/if U folds. Everyone else will flock to the U served locations and add their own capacity. The total number of seats will be very close after U's flag goes down.

Something I haven't seen mentioned in a while is a U fire sale. Do you think U will go out all at once? I think they will sell off the shuttle at first and then sell the rest in a slow sell off until there is nothing tangible left.

If I remember correctly, didn't DAL express interest in the U shuttle sometime last year?
 
As said as all this is, I also know from a recent interview conversation that USA3000 and I suppose others, are waiting like vultures to aquire alot of airplanes and other assets at discounted prices should U go under....frankly it does not seem like anything more than a pot hole in the road when viewing the industry as a whole. The other carriers will quickly fill in the gapping hole in a few short months, like Eastern, PanAm, TWA, and so many others...only the memories and broken hearts will remain. Sad side affect of the free enterprise system.
 
SWA/FO said:
I have heard that if U fails (maybe when) SWA has asked PHL for 45 gates.


Do you get excited about the negative Airways news? It seems you monitor the situation more than the employees. Just curious
 
SWA is holding back some of their growth plans... to see what happens. Plane placement, new cities, extra airplanes, new routes, my upgrade...etc. You name it. U has been in the news a lot and its easy to stumble across articles on the web.

I have an interest in the whole industry. I just found this article interesting and posted it. I just wonder what will happen next?
 
In the long term, a U liquidation would be the best thing to happen. The crappy part is all the employees will loose their jobs, and some will be of age to probably be done and really not re-hirable.

But how long can we hold on to the current state of affairs. If U fails, the void will be filled by those with financial horsepower and good business models.

SWA has never furloughed a pilot and has had a consistent growth. That means a lot to me.

Mark

 
SWA has never furloughed a pilot and has had a consistent growth. That means a lot to me.

Delta used to have that claim also. Just remember, in the airline industry, nothing is guaranteed.

with that said, yes, LUV is a he11 of a well run airline

see ya
 

Latest resources

Back
Top